CMC relieved

[exNavyOffRec]

I was reading this thinking this guy sounds like a predator, and that fact he said he CPO's should have stopped him, how about taking responsibility for your own actions.

I could seem him ending up doing something that results in him on a sex offender list.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...t-squadron-cmc-kissed-and-hit-on-his-sailors/

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I think that CMC firing was mentioned on here a while back. For a minute I thought that article was super recent. But agreed with everything else.

 

[EODDave]

I was a juror on his admin sep board. Let's just say, everything you read about this was/is NOT factual. After I read the prosecutors evidence that was gathered by 1 O-5, I felt like you guys. After peeling the onion back and actually getting to hear from the witnesses in this case, the story completely changed. End result was he was found not guilty of the allegations. After hearing how this all went down I was more upset with his chain of command and how this all played out. Navy could not/did not discharge him, but he like a lot of other front offices that have been fired and slandered by the media have a hard time getting the truth out there afterwards. Damage is done, it's hard to undo what goes public even when it's false.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

I was a juror on his admin sep board. Let's just say, everything you read about this was/is NOT factual. After I read the prosecutors evidence that was gathered by 1 O-5, I felt like you guys. After peeling the onion back and actually getting to hear from the witnesses in this case, the story completely changed. End result was he was found not guilty of the allegations. After hearing how this all went down I was more upset with his chain of command and how this all played out. Navy could not/did not discharge him, but he like a lot of other front offices that have been fired and slandered by the media have a hard time getting the truth out there afterwards. Damage is done, it's hard to undo what goes public even when it's false.

How did the info get twisted so much, it seems like his own statements are against him, unless the statements were not being reported correctly.

I get what you say, he was found not guilty but in the eyes of nearly everyone else he is guilty because of what was reported vice what actually happened.

 

[CommodoreMid]

Not to trash your judgment as a board member (because I haven't seen what you saw) , but not guilty =\= innocent.

 

[EODDave]

The main female in the report along with every other witness in the report says that they did not say what is in the report. Most say they spoke to the individual that wrote the report for less than a minute, yet the writer of said report has info that would have taken a while and probably multiple interview to get from said individuals. None of the witnesses ever saw what was "written" from their short interviews. None ever signed the "statements" they supposedly made or ever saw a written transcript of what they "said" to the single investigator. There was so many things that were just wrong with this case. When every single person says that what was written was never said by them or taken way, way out of context.

Also some other really shady bullshit happening between witnesses and prosecutor that I probably can't post here. Needless to say, every person in the room came to the same conclusion. I asked the prosecutor at the end, how the hell did this get this far and his reply is, he does what he is told. This case was complete horseshit from the get go. Or every single person, 20+ (most didn't know each other by the way) located on 5 different bases conspired after the fact to save this guy.

 

[Single Seat]

Knowing the front office, I have to say I'm dissapointed.

 

[EODDave]

Yep. There should have been more questions asked, especially from the front office.

 

[Renegade One]

...how about taking responsibility for your own actions.

Why don't they just fire the relevant numbered fleet commander and be done with it? We don't need no stinking investigations!

 

[EODDave]

In today's Navy, you are fired first, flogged in public, shamed on Navy times, then investigated. When it turns out said allegations aren't true, it's crickets. No apology, no getting ones career back and then having to explain the situation in a job interview post Navy. That's IF you even get an interview as you have been publicly humiliated and labeled a deviant.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

In today's Navy, you are fired first, flogged in public, shamed on Navy times, then investigated. When it turns out said allegations aren't true, it's crickets. No apology, no getting ones career back and then having to explain the situation in a job interview post Navy. That's IF you even get an interview as you have been publicly humiliated and labeled a deviant.

So very true, how many people have been "temporarily relieved" and actually gone back to their command?

I would say it is more than Navy Times that puts articles out and shames them, it is many others as well, pretty much ensures a simple google search will come up with many articles.

 

[CWO_change]

Not to trash your judgment as a board member (because I haven't seen what you saw) , but not guilty =\= innocent.

But as a general matter the presumption is that of innocence. Being "not guilty" does nothing to alter this presumption.