Soldiers being treated for exposure to Sarin. Mustard Gas also found.
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Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq
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Thats impossible.... hahahaha. The liberals said there aren't any and Bush was lying!
Red faces seen and resonant sounds of coughing heard throughout Capital Hill today...no, not side effects due to exposure to sarin ... just the sheepish reaction of those who swore on their lives that there were no WMDs in Iraq. This may not have been the mother lode in terms of quantity, but it is still proof that WMD do exist in Iraq!
akamifeldman
Interplanetary Ambassador
When you find proof that Saddam was trying to deal with Niger to get nuclear weapon parts, or when you find substantial proof of a link between Iraq and Al-Qaida OR a between Iraq and 9/11, you come and tell me. A mini roadside bomb that exploded more than a year after Saddam was taken out is not the massive weapons cahes Saddam was puported to have. Just my, $.02, I'll shut up now.
preface:
do i believe he had wmd's: yes (duh, he used them on his own people)
do i believe he complied with the UN and destroyed them all: not at all
do i believe there are still plenty around somewhere in iraq: probably (think about it, they've dug up aircraft buried in the sand, what else could be there)
does one shell indicate there are/were many more: yes 0 they rarely crank out one shell at a time on the assembly line I'd imagine.
now...
Finding one binary shell is no reason to cream your panties and say "hooray we found proof of the WMD stockpiles." the 'proof' we presented to the UN was of a scale much more than one binary shell formed into an IED. if you're going to ride the wmd-claim forever, you need a little more proof. this isn't being a liberal or a neocon or whatever stupid moniker you fancy for insults these days...this is being a realist.
/flame on
do i believe he had wmd's: yes (duh, he used them on his own people)
do i believe he complied with the UN and destroyed them all: not at all
do i believe there are still plenty around somewhere in iraq: probably (think about it, they've dug up aircraft buried in the sand, what else could be there)
does one shell indicate there are/were many more: yes 0 they rarely crank out one shell at a time on the assembly line I'd imagine.
now...
Finding one binary shell is no reason to cream your panties and say "hooray we found proof of the WMD stockpiles." the 'proof' we presented to the UN was of a scale much more than one binary shell formed into an IED. if you're going to ride the wmd-claim forever, you need a little more proof. this isn't being a liberal or a neocon or whatever stupid moniker you fancy for insults these days...this is being a realist.
/flame on
I'm just delivering the news here.
However, akamifeldman, your beloved lefties swore up and down that Saddam had WMDs all throughout Mr. Clinton's 8 year tenure.
Speaking of our resident lefty high school student, we haven't heard from you in some time. I'm surprised you didn't pop your head in the "What's wrong with the media thread". Feeling alright?
However, akamifeldman, your beloved lefties swore up and down that Saddam had WMDs all throughout Mr. Clinton's 8 year tenure.
Speaking of our resident lefty high school student, we haven't heard from you in some time. I'm surprised you didn't pop your head in the "What's wrong with the media thread". Feeling alright?
akamifeldman
Interplanetary Ambassador
Its President Clinton. He was elected. Twice.
As a current officer in our Navy, I would have thought you could realize and respect that.
I'm not up for another huge flame war, so whatever.
EDIT: I'm reading that thread, but I'm currently pretty far into my NROTC application (thought I'd tone down the rhetoic for a while, focus on the real task at hand
). I'll come back, just wait. :icon_wink
As a current officer in our Navy, I would have thought you could realize and respect that.
I'm not up for another huge flame war, so whatever.
EDIT: I'm reading that thread, but I'm currently pretty far into my NROTC application (thought I'd tone down the rhetoic for a while, focus on the real task at hand
). I'll come back, just wait. :icon_wink
See if he makes it through his first year of college, let alone NROTC. And isn't Clinton a FORMER President? There is only one President, and that is President Bush
The kid must have a lot of experience to make arguments with since he's almost a high school graduate and has probably heard lots of "important" left wingers telling him what's what. But the only thing he should work on more than his application, which I don't remember taking that long, is to work on spelling words such as "rhetoric."
Good luck with the rhetoic kid!
Good luck with the rhetoic kid!
I don't think the point is that there is a few chem rounds or not... that is a non-issue. The point was we thought there were, and we took action based on what we thought. That is justification enough. When the Frogs and Ruskies are against us, and agree that there are weapons, I see all the justification in the world.
H20man
Drill baby drill!
Subject: Bush Lied?
If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES --then read this and, if you are the fair minded person that I believe you to be--, PASS IT ON.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
> >
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
> >
> > "Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
> >
> > "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
> >
> > "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
> >
> > "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
> >
> > "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
> >
> > "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
> >
> > "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
> > Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
> >
> > "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
> >
> > "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
> >
> > "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and eveloping weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
> >
> > "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
> >
> > "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
> > authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
> >
> > "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
> > aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
> >
> > "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
> >
> > "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
> >
> > "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
> >
> >
> > "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real .." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003
>
THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES.> >Talk about two tongued philosophy!
i got this email a while ago.
Bush acted where others only spoke.
Like my academy's Motto "Acta Non Verba"
Deeds not Words.
If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES --then read this and, if you are the fair minded person that I believe you to be--, PASS IT ON.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
> >
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
> >
> > "Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
> >
> > "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
> >
> > "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
> >
> > "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
> >
> > "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
> >
> > "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
> >
> > "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
> > Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
> >
> > "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
> >
> > "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
> >
> > "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and eveloping weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
> >
> > "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
> >
> > "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
> > authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
> >
> > "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
> > aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
> >
> > "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
> >
> > "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
> >
> > "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
> >
> >
> > "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real .." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003
>
THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES.> >Talk about two tongued philosophy!
i got this email a while ago.
Bush acted where others only spoke.
Like my academy's Motto "Acta Non Verba"
Deeds not Words.
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