Can you PCS having submitted an application for STA-21?

[bigbow]

Hey guys,

I appreciate the effort anyone puts into trying to help me by even looking at this thread. I am in C school and planning on putting in an application for STA-21. I am not submitting the most competitive application but I sincerely feel that I am able to make a convincing case for myself. I appreciate the mere chance that's afforded to a student like myself only being in C school but still receiving enough regard to be able to apply and encouragement to do so. After completing nearly the entire application checklist and putting in the chit to actually be able to apply, my LPO has notified me that there's a good chance that I may not be able to apply because I happen to graduate the 15th of july and the board will not convene until September. I'm curious if anyone here can enlighten me on this topic. Seeing as how the STA-21 website, all instructions referring to sta-21 (1420.1A), and the search function provide no information on this critical aspect of the STA-21 I am reaching out for advice, or help. Once again, I appreciate any help.

 

[VarmintShooter]

Don't know the regs on this, but do you know the LPO well enough to just ask him where he got his info?

I'd try to get my application submitted if I were you. Even if you aren't selected, it may help for next year.


Good luck!

 

[fc2spyguy]

No, you can not transfer after the submission of a STA-21 package. I was up for orders and my detailer didn't even want to cut me orders until after the selection process. As it was he did, and I was selected so he had to fill that gap. However, I don't let an LPO keep you from applying just because of this little detail. If the command is endorsing then go with it.

Reference: 1420.1A Chapter 8 page 15 #10.

10. Transfer Policy. Candidates for STA-21 who receive PCS orders on or after the STA-21 application deadline shall not be transferred until officially notified of selection or nonselec¬tion to STA-21. If a transfer directive is received, the commanding officer shall notify the orders originating authority that the individual has applied for STA-21 and that orders (cite TC number) are being held in abeyance until notification of selection or non-selection is received. If the applicant is selected, the commanding officer shall notify the orders-originating authority that the individual has been selected and that the orders are considered canceled. If the applicant is not selected for STA-21, the command should transfer the indi¬vidual and notify the orders-originating authority that the orders have been executed, referencing the previous corre¬spondence that held the orders in abeyance. Nuclear Field applicants selected for STA-21 while serving, as students at Naval Nuclear Power Training Command (NAVNUPWRTRACOM) or Naval Nuclear Power Training Unit (NAVNUPWRTRAU) will be transferred per local instructions for enlisted personnel selected for a commissioning program.

 

[VarmintShooter]

Wish I could give you rep SpyGuy ... but must spread it around.

Glad someone could come up with the 'real deal.'

 

[Brett327]

Hey guys,

I appreciate the effort anyone puts into trying to help me by even looking at this thread. I am in C school and planning on putting in an application for STA-21. I am not submitting the most competitive application but I sincerely feel that I am able to make a convincing case for myself. I appreciate the mere chance that's afforded to a student like myself only being in C school but still receiving enough regard to be able to apply and encouragement to do so. After completing nearly the entire application checklist and putting in the chit to actually be able to apply, my LPO has notified me that there's a good chance that I may not be able to apply because I happen to graduate the 15th of july and the board will not convene until September. I'm curious if anyone here can enlighten me on this topic. Seeing as how the STA-21 website, all instructions referring to sta-21 (1420.1A), and the search function provide no information on this critical aspect of the STA-21 I am reaching out for advice, or help. Once again, I appreciate any help.

Just to piggyback onto what Varmint said, I doubt if the STA-21 instruction places any limitations like you described, but it is kind of hard to get a package together when you're in school and getting a non-observed eval, plus the COC there really doesn't know you well enough to justify giving you the proper recommendations. If your school COC is being difficult, I would work the "I'm just trying to get my foot in the door this year to have a better chance next time around" angle with them. Better to submit an average package than none at all. It took me three times to get accepted to the old school legacy STA program, but my persistence paid off. PM me if you have any other issues.

Good luck,

Brett

Edit: Per Spy's post - Are you PCS'd to your C school, or is it a TAD situation?

 

[bigbow]

hey, thanks a lot

I actually stayed up a half hour extra just to see if I could get a reply. I obviously completely missed the section referring to my situation so thanks a million spyguy. That's great advice Brett. I hope, but almost am sure that I won't be selected this year unless there's some mistake made in nearly everyone else's application or something along those lines, but the only reason this would be worthwhile would be to gain some experience and to "have my foot in the door". My division officer should be supportive but below him is where I doubt I'll find as much support. It's kind of in the air as to whether or not the command will endorse me seeing as how this submariner would be practically just hanging around another ~2 months. I take great pride in my upcoming oppurtunity to become Sub-Surface qualified, but at the same time this is the type of sacrifice that I should be making if I really want to become an officer, and I do. So I suppose I will have to face my LPO and basically respectfully tell him that I deserve a chance to apply even though it will delay my boat assignment. But i'll feel like such a ****bag doing that. Thank you for help guys. btw, can I do that? Do I have the right to apply provided the CO endorses even though I will prevent my assignment to a boat? coincidentally enough I am suppose to choose a billet in a mere ~2 weeks. thanks again.

 

[etnuclearsailor]

It is not wrong for you to apply knowing it will delay your boat assignment. You will have plenty of time to make up for it if you get selected or not. Many students at other schools (most notably Nuclear Power School) have been deleayed orderes pending STA 21 results. In an annual occurence they have become accustomed to- I expect your command will learn to like it, to.
They have no right to stop you on the mere grounds of delaying orders.
Good Luck!

 

[NukeWife]

Agreeing with the others- my husband graduated from prototype last june, and the STA-21 applicants were either selected to stay here as staff or were assigned to do busy work (office crap, working at medical, etc.)

 

[fc2spyguy]

Do I have the right to apply provided the CO endorses even though I will prevent my assignment to a boat?

If your CO endorses it then that is all that really matters. Submit the request chit, your LPO can't say no, he can put a reccomendation but he can't bottom line it. You definately should NOT feel like a sh!tbag just for submitting a package. And trust me, two months of hold is nothing in a Naval career. Get used to this here saying "hurry up and wait." It is something you will hear repeated for the next 4, 6, 8 or how ever many years it is you decide to stay in our Navy. Let me know if there is anything else you need. There are plenty of people here that are more than happy to help.

 

[JEEPER1219]

I wish to reiterate what spyguy is saying...GET YOUR PACKAGE IN!!! Even if you don't get selected this year, it will give you the experience for next year and on and on. I am a 2 strike selectee. (applied 3 times) If you can get an endorsement from your current command then there is not a problem. Even if you do not get the endorsement I would still say complete the package as stated minus the endorsement and send it in. You will NOT get selected because your package is missing all its components, but at least you have all the info that you need for the next time around. I have never heard of anyone that wanted this not get it. Good luck and there is a mess of info about STA-21 from the peeps here. Just ask away.

 

[VarmintShooter]

I am a 2 strike selectee. (applied 3 times)

Same here (well, the first two times the package never made it to board, but by the third time I knew how the system worked to finally make things happen).

 

[bigbow]

thanks for your input guys. I will submit my packet. I am waiting mainly on my ACT score. I have decided to take the SAT also seeing as how I can still take it and get the score back in time to take the place of the ACT if it should come up below the minimum accepted. I am also working on my personal statement with Brett327. I will post it when I'm done.

 

[etnuclearsailor]

I would have to disagree with JEEPER on just one point. The package will not even be reviewed if it is missing the CO's endorsement. The STA21 message this year (as well as last year) has instructed CCC's not to submit packages without the endorsement.