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Bad weather operations

Brett327

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snake020

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Does Navy generally tried to avoid bad weather conditions or have any of you personally been on a carrier in foul weather?

It was very easy to avoid bad weather when they had that weather control facility working, however when Captain Kirk died that left nobody qualified to operate it in place. Sorry dude.
 

lowflier03

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Ive flown in some crappy weather off of the carrier and seen people fly in worse. Off the coast of Australia we had numerous hard landings and at least 4 blown tires from hard traps and bolters. One guy hit the tanker 3 times with a blown tire. We did more combat FOD walkdowns than I could count that day. We had guys flying that had to try a smoke light approach to the carrier, and even that didnt work.
 

Gatordev

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Foul weather on a carrier? "Oh no, the deck is rolling 3 degrees!" (Smiles in effect) Far more drama on a frigate.
 

bunk22

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No, the navy would never launch or recover any aircraft in bad weather. Never happens and never will ;)

I will say, part of me being bald would probably have to do with those times landing with a pitching/rolling deck, at night in a t-storm, during the day in a viscous rain squall, etc. It was usually worse when the nugget was flying and say the top of the screws appeared out of the water. Fun stuff :eek:
 

FlyinSpy

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I will say, part of me being bald would probably have to do with those times landing with a pitching/rolling deck, at night in a t-storm, during the day in a viscous rain squall, etc. It was usually worse when the nugget was flying and say the top of the screws appeared out of the water. Fun stuff :eek:

So it was thicker-than-usual rain? :icon_tong
 

Brett327

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So it was thicker-than-usual rain? :icon_tong

I was thinking the same thing. :D BTW, saw all your boys out here last weekend. It was nice to see Steamer and Fatsley again. I wonder if his new wife will tolerate his "double fisting" nicotine ingestion techniques. :D

Brett
 

FlyinSpy

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I was thinking the same thing. :D BTW, saw all your boys out here last weekend. It was nice to see Steamer and Fatsley again. I wonder if his new wife will tolerate his "double fisting" nicotine ingestion techniques. :D
Yeah, I was bummed I didn't get to go play reindeer games and add to my copious 3 trap total. On the flip side, my liver can't handle hanging with the young guns anymore; or, in the case of our squadron, the grizzled old alcoholics.... (Yours can't be too healthy either...)

I'm not sure Catfish's wife is fully aware of his *range* of bad habits....

BTW, finally tried your chicken tava recipe - awesome. I even added some formaldehyde to my beer to remind me of Incirlik. :p
 

wink

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No, the navy would never launch or recover any aircraft in bad weather. Never happens and never will ;)

Won't bore ya'll with the whole sea story as I think I have posted it before. But back in '83 during the first big three CARGRU NORPAC I was launched into weather that was true W0X0F, at night:eek: . Could not see the planes on the bow from the waist cat. We were the all night SSC during a break in two weeks of three airwing 24 hour ops. While we were being taxied to the cat two other Hoovers and a Hummer were not getting aboard and running out of gas. The CAG and ship's skipper were down in air ops working the problem when they heard the cat hit the water brake on our launch. Boy, did they hit the over head. They did not intend to launch us on schedule given the weather and difficulty getting three others aboard. Guess they didn't communicate that very well. Off the cat our mission was canceled and we were ordered to anchor overhead and go max conserve. My pilot for that night was a hinge that had a reputation as being "too safe" (if there is such a thing). Very likeable but not universally respected by the JOs. I have to say he was not only a steady stick that never gave me concern, but a real leader through out the whole ordeal. He was senior and took command in every way of what ended up a gaggle of five planes on a divert of nearly two hours to ADAK. Good times!
 

bunk22

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. My pilot for that night was a hinge that had a reputation as being "too safe" (if there is such a thing). Very likeable but not universally respected by the JOs. I have to say he was not only a steady stick that never gave me concern, but a real leader through out the whole ordeal. He was senior and took command in every way of what ended up a gaggle of five planes on a divert of nearly two hours to ADAK. Good times!

This portion caught my eye. I think all JO's, in all communities think alike. I had the same issues during my DH tour, with more experience than the JO's and I always leaned towards the safe side. As a JO, it was just fuck it, lets go. For example, we were on Guam with a down plane. We had an FCF B scheduled with my most experienced JO flying it. He was a good pilot and very confident but what he did I did didn't sit well with me. When I arrived at work, the FCF was done, aircraft up so my maint officer called the ship with the news. As those of us know, who have flown in the South Pacific, storms of all sorts just pop up at anytime, all the time. Well found out he did the FCF without operable ledex switches, which meant he had no navigating instruments, no gyro's, etc. He flew a down airplane on an FCF B, called it up and all the ship knew was it was up. Wrong thing to do and the ship wasn't happy when I called them to tell them it was down. First question from the boat, why were we told it was up when it wasn't? I did some clever OIC'ing but it didn't change the fact that my young JO did the wrong thing. Just cause it could be done doesn't mean it should have.
 

wink

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This portion caught my eye. I think all JO's, in all communities think alike. I had the same issues during my DH tour, with more experience than the JO's and I always leaned towards the safe side. As a JO, it was just fuck it, lets go. For example, we were on Guam with a down plane. We had an FCF B scheduled with my most experienced JO flying it. He was a good pilot and very confident but what he did I did didn't sit well with me. When I arrived at work, the FCF was done, aircraft up so my maint officer called the ship with the news. As those of us know, who have flown in the South Pacific, storms of all sorts just pop up at anytime, all the time. Well found out he did the FCF without operable ledex switches, which meant he had no navigating instruments, no gyro's, etc. He flew a down airplane on an FCF B, called it up and all the ship knew was it was up. Wrong thing to do and the ship wasn't happy when I called them to tell them it was down. First question from the boat, why were we told it was up when it wasn't? I did some clever OIC'ing but it didn't change the fact that my young JO did the wrong thing. Just cause it could be done doesn't mean it should have.
Ya, whether we see it coming or not, it happens to us all. The whole senior aviator as leader and example to juniors is no different then parent and child. Who among us with children hasn't heard their own fathers words coming out of their mouths when dealing with their children. You youngsters out there look around. You will become those O-4s you are so suspicious of. So just pick one out now and learn your lessons from him.
 

Brett327

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Ya, whether we see it coming or not, it happens to us all. The whole senior aviator as leader and example to juniors is no different then parent and child. Who among us with children hasn't heard their own fathers words coming out of their mouths when dealing with their children. You youngsters out there look around. You will become those O-4s you are so suspicious of. So just pick one out now and learn your lessons from him.

:weeping_1

Brett
 
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