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Am I worrying too much?

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virtu050

P-8 Bubba
pilot
So since I've stumbled on this website my worries about OCS medical exam have compounded.

My vision is around 20/30 but I've heard people say on this forum that at NAMI that translates to 20/60 in some cases. I qualified for SNA but my main concern is getting commissioned... I'll settle for NFO. I was disenrolled from NROTC due to grades but I was accepted to OCS because I got my grades back up. If I don't get commissioned I still have a 2 year enlisted obligation. What do you think is the most likely thing that will happen should I not pass that 20/40 visual acuity standard? Is a waiver possible? Can anyone post some words to help me not worry so much? Thanks.
 

jrklr

Registered User
if NAMI is the one they do before OCS, then you can redesignate as long as there is another community open from what I hear. If your qualified to be an officer but just not a pilot at the beginning of OCS I don't think they would send you home (or enlist in your case).
 

EODDave

The pastures are greener!
pilot
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Just get plenty of sleep and drink a lot of water. Dont stress out. Relax before you get to OCS because you wont be relaxing there. You are just hearing some worst case stories about NAMI. Dont stress out about it. Doing so will only make your time before OCS miserable. Then when you pass the physical at NAMI youll be peveed at yourself for wasting the little bit of enjoyable time that you had before OCS all stressed out.

Dave
 

UVAFighter

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Sometimes OCS isn't that bad. A LtCol. in the Army who filled out a letter of recommendation for me went to OCS after a battlefield commission in the Korean War. He said it was like a full-paid vacation. So just remember all the poor bastards before us who fought and died in combat, and a summer at Quantico doesn't seem too bad...
 

grouch

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virtu, we are in the same boat but for different reasons. I too am worried about NAMI. Here is how I have delt with it. Drawl yourself a black dot on the wall and stare at it. This does two things, it keeps you off AW reading BS horror stories about the perfect OC getting sent home because of a slight astimgmatism, and it makes people think you are crazy. This is invaluable when you don't want anyone talking to you. Also throw in a few choice clicking sounds while you do this little excercise. And as always....hope this helps.
 

BYSun

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virtu, grouch has a good point,

Grouch...perspective...interesting way so demonstrating your point, but...clicking sounds? your are very very strange, but in a good way :>

Bryce

In the end it all comes down to a simple choice, get busy livin' or get busy dyin' - The Shawshank Redemption
 

frogggystyle

Registered User
I can tell you first hand that if your vision is not within standards then you do not have a shot at being a pilot. I went in and scored 20/20 on my left eye and 20/40 on my right uncorrected. Visual acuity for both eyes together was 20/20 uncorrected. That is good enough, primarily, for being a pilot. Then came my astigmatism. I have a -1.75 in my right eye. The limit is -1.00. Even though my visual acuity is 20/20 with both eyes being uncorrected (20/12 with my glasses on), the astigmatism is what prevented me from being a pilot. So, I became an NFO. NFOs can basically have bad eyes (20/200 or so uncorrected) so long as you are corrected to 20/20. Also, if you miss even on letter on their chart, you fail that line. So if you read off the 12 or so letters on the 20/20 line and you miss one, you are automatically bumped up to the next line...no do-overs.

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - General George Patton (1885-1945)
 

virtu050

P-8 Bubba
pilot
Froggy could you shed some more light on the eye exam? Do they cover up the other lines when you're reading one? Also, do you cover up your one eye with your hand or do they give you something? i hear there are like 4 charts. Do they move the charts around? Is it projected against a wall or is it behind a translucent film? Do they give you much time or do they rush you through? Was it an officer that gave the exam or an enlisted? as much info you could give would be appreciated... so that I know what to expect. thanks.
 

frogggystyle

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"Do they cover up the other lines when you're reading one?"

No, the lines are shown all at once on the wall.

"Also, do you cover up your one eye with your hand or do they give you something?"

They give you a black plastic spoon-looking device to cover one eye with.

"i hear there are like 4 charts."

I know there are at least 2 different charts. If you are thinking about memorizing the charts you will have to have an extremely good memory to pull that off. Even if you did, they will nail you with the occular exam. There is no way to fake that. hehe Plus, I have never seen charts like the ones they use. They are a good 12 letters across for each line. After ten years of being a Hospital Corpsman, I have never seen the charts they use in any optometry facility in any other military hospital.

"Do they move the charts around?"

I'm not sure if you are asking if the charts are moved around during the exam or between each person they examine. I took two different eye exams, once in OCS and again in API to confirm my eyesight. The charts seemed to be the same both times I took it.

"Is it projected against a wall or is it behind a translucent film?"

They are projected on the wall.

"Do they give you much time or do they rush you through?"

They let you take your time. They know that your eye exam can be the make or break point in what you are eligible to do. They won't give you 5 minutes for each letter...but they will allow you to take a bit of time to get the letters you are able to see.

"Was it an officer that gave the exam or an enlisted?"

The initial screening is done by one of the optometry techs, an enlisted person or a civilian. All they do is test your vision with and without glasses (if you wear them). They also test you for color blindness and they give you the occular tension test that consists of air being buffed into your eyes.

When they finish the initial screening you are then handed over to the actual optometrist, which is a naval officer. They will look inside your eyes to see if there are any problems going on in there. They also give you another visual acuity test. If they find that you cannot read the 20/20 with each eye, they will use their eye calibration machine to determine your eyeglass prescription.

Now, this is the tricky part. The guidelines say that you have to have 20/40 vision, or better, in each eye uncorrected to be a pilot. If you are something like 20/70 in one eye, you would normally fail to see the letters on the 20/40 line. What you can do is ask the optometrist let you read the 20/20 line with their machine set to 20/40. This isn't a widely known bit of info. My right eye bounces around from 20/30 to 20/70 and my left eye is 20/20. The optometrist allowed me to try and read the 20/20 line with the machine set to 20/40. The rules say that you have to have 20/40 or better in each eye. Since I was able to read the 20/20 line with the machine set to 20/40 I passed the test with my right eye...*barely*.

Even so, if you have an astigmatism greater than -1.00, you will not get the nod for pilot training. I was able to pass every other single test, but I have a -1.75 in my right eye. There is not way to fake that. They use that prescription machine to test for that and if you are outside of the -1.00 limitation, then you are outside of the maximum parameters. Even if you were -1.25, that is too much and you will not qualify for pilot.

The reason why they are so strict is because jet pilots tend to get worse vision after years of flying, or so this is what the optomretists told me at NAMI. The parameters are set up this way so that as the pilots age and their eyes change they will still be able to fly the plane in the event they somehow lose their glasses in flight. Also, they have done tests to determine reaction time for catching the trap on the deck of a carrier. The tests have consistantly shown that those with worse eye vision (even if they are corrected to 20/15) have lower visual reaction time if they wear glasses than those who naturally have 20/20 vision of better.

Now, if you make it through NAMI with a good eye exam, and you are selected for pilot, then you are good to go pretty much for the rest of your career. You can hit API with a 20/20 uncorrected visual acuity and then three months later somehow end up with 20/100 uncorrected visual acuity and you will still be eligible to be a pilot, so long as you are correctable to 20/20. Hell, even the day after your preliminary eye exam that said you had 20/40 vision in both eyes uncorrected, and then the very next day had 20/70 vision uncorrected, you'd still be ok to be a pilot. It all depends on that initial NAMI eye exam. Make it through that and you'll be ok from there on.

That is what bugged me about my own eye exam. I was shooting for pilot. I have 20/20 in my left and 20/40 in my right. I am correctable to 20/12 in both eyes. They let pilots fly with up to 20/200 uncorrected vision, so long as they are correctable to 20/20 or better in both eyes. If it wasn't for my astigmatism, I'd be in pilot training right now.

Everything depends on that preliminary NAMI eye exam. Just hope that you can hit the 20/40 lines without any problems and that you are within limits if you have an astigmatism. And if you are thinking about using a specific liquid that helps strengthen your visual acuity for a short duration...don't. The optometrists can see that when they look into your eyes during the exam and you'd probably get in huge trouble for being dishonest, especially as an officer where honor is paramount.

Good luck.

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - General George Patton (1885-1945)
 
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