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9/11 Report - Flight 93

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Published: July 22, 2004

NEW YORK TIMES

ASHINGTON, July 22 — The idea of a hijacking on Sept. 11, 2001, was unbelievable, even to many of the people who could have responded in time to change the course of events. One of those was Capt. Jason Dahl of United Flight 93, which had taken off from Newark on a flight to San Francisco.

Flight 93 became part of American lore when passengers banded together to try to storm the cockpit of the hijacked airliner, which crashed in Pennsylvania. New details of the hijacking and the passenger uprising were made public in the report released today by the 9/11 commission.

A United Airlines dispatcher near Chicago who knew that Flight 175 had been hijacked and crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center sent a message to the other planes he was following that morning, one of them United 93. In a text message, the dispatcher, Ed Ballinger, told Flight 93 at 9:23 a.m.: "Beware any cockpit intrusion two a/c hit World Trade Center."

At 9:26, Captain Dahl sent a message back, in quick, abbreviated and slightly mistyped language: "Ed, confirm latest mssg plz Jason."

Two minutes later, the hijackers attacked Captain Dahl and his first officer.

Unlike the three other hijackings, Flight 93 continued transmitting over the radio during the struggle in the cockpit. The captain or first officer declared "Mayday," and 35 seconds later, one of them shouted, "Hey, get out of here get out of here get out of here." Later, passengers reported seeing two bodies outside the cockpit, injured or dead, probably the pilots.

Once the hijackers were in control, they knew that passengers were using cell phones and seat-back phones to call the ground "but did not seem to care," according to the report. Yet clearly what the passengers learned in those phone calls inspired their counterattack on the cockpit.

The report said it was "quite possible" that the hijacker flying the plane, Ziad Jarrah, knew that the attack on the World Trade Center had succeeded; he could, for example, have read the text messages intended for Captain Dahl.

"It might not have occurred to him that they were certain to learn what had happened in New York, thereby defeating his attempts at deception," the report said.

Of the 33 passengers on the plane who were not hijackers, at least 10, and two crew members, spoke to people on the ground. At least five of the calls included discussion of the World Trade Center. At 9:57, about seven minutes before the end, one of the passengers ended her conversation saying: "Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye."

The report indicates that Mr. Jarrah, at the controls of United 93, did what many airline pilots have fantasized about since the hijackings: tried to maneuver the plane sharply, rolling and pitching, to keep control of the cockpit. It apparently did not work; the plane crashed in rural Pennsylvania.

The report does not clarify whether the hijackers' goal for Flight 93 was the White House or the Capitol, but indicates that the hijackers tuned a cockpit radio to the frequency of a navigation beacon at National Airport, just across the Potomac River from the capital, erasing any doubt about the region of their intended destination.

At three seconds after 10 a.m., Mr. Jarrah is heard on the cockpit voice recorder saying: "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?"

But another hijacker responds: "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off."

The voice recorder captured sounds of continued fighting, and Mr. Jarrah pitched the plane up and then down. A passenger is heard to say, "In the cockpit. If we don't we'll die!"

Then a passenger yelled "Roll it!" Some aviation experts have speculated that this was a reference to a food cart, being used as a battering ram.

Mr. Jarrah "stopped the violent maneuvers" at 10:01:00, according to the report, and said, "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!"

"He then asked another hijacker in the cockpit, `Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?' to which the other replied, `Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.' "

Eighty seconds later, a hijacker is heard to say, "Pull it down! Pull it down!"

"The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them," according to the report, which seems to indicate that the hijackers themselves crashed the plane. "With the sounds of the passenger counterattack continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C," according to the report.
 

akamifeldman

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The idea of a hijacking was not ridiculous before 9/11. What was ridiculous was the thought that the hijackers would be pilots, would fly the plane, and would attempt to fly it into a building. In past hijackings, and in analysts' models for future ones, they would order the pilots to fly the plane to some other destination, making their demands once on the ground.
But what do I know, I just got my copy of the report this evening.
Anyone else reading it?
 

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akamifeldman said:
The idea of a hijacking was not ridiculous before 9/11. What was ridiculous was the thought that the hijackers would be pilots, would fly the plane, and would attempt to fly it into a building. In past hijackings, and in analysts' models for future ones, they would order the pilots to fly the plane to some other destination, making their demands once on the ground.
But what do I know, I just got my copy of the report this evening.
Anyone else reading it?

Yeah dude, we all know that. What's your point?
 

kevin

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so i'm gathering this....if Capt. Dahl had just locked the cockpit...nothing would've happened to the plane (even if the hijackers had threatened to kill every passenger, he would've known after the first transmission what their plans were). It seems the hijackers didn't break into the cockpit since they were able to relock it after (i don't know anything much about cockpit doors, but this seems logical). Even more tragic if that is the case.

by the way.....that picture made me cry. where did you find that?
 

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kevin said:
so i'm gathering this....if Capt. Dahl had just locked the cockpit...nothing would've happened to the plane (even if the hijackers had threatened to kill every passenger, he would've known after the first transmission what their plans were). It seems the hijackers didn't break into the cockpit since they were able to relock it after (i don't know anything much about cockpit doors, but this seems logical). Even more tragic if that is the case.

by the way.....that picture made me cry. where did you find that?

I haven't looked at a cockpit door since after 9/11, but I'm going to wager that since they wanted them all upgraded, that breaking one down wasn't exactly hard. They could have barricaded it with something as well (the terrorists). The stakes have changed though, that's for certain. I know if I'm on a plane that was hijacked, I'd like to think I'd have the nuts, as well as the other passengers, to stop/kill those trying.

The picture came from another forum I read. A guy that posts there was A) drinking Margaritas B) watching football C) had a very patient cat and D) had a digital camera. That was the result :D
 

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kevin said:
so i'm gathering this....if Capt. Dahl had just locked the cockpit...nothing would've happened to the plane (even if the hijackers had threatened to kill every passenger, he would've known after the first transmission what their plans were). It seems the hijackers didn't break into the cockpit since they were able to relock it after (i don't know anything much about cockpit doors, but this seems logical). Even more tragic if that is the case.

by the way.....that picture made me cry. where did you find that?

FAA procedures before Sept 11th were to do as the hijackers ordered - since the vast majority of hijackers were motivated by money and/or a desire to go someplace. It was after Sept 11th that the cockpit became a fortress.

The idea that hijackers would take flight lessons in Boeing simulators (the 767/757 is a common cockpit) and use this to fly themselves into buildings was considered farfetched.
 

kevin

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that cat looks thoroughly enthusiastic. like maybe 2 seconds away from clawing the guy's eyes out.

well that's the other thing that's so tragic about the 9/11 thing. the terrorists' success was based almost entirely off of the public's knowledge of previous hijackings......the plane lands...negotiations start. if everyone had bumrushed the hijackers from minute one, the planes never even would've crashed in the first place.

still, i'm wondering what the hijackers would've anchored the door with, since the lock would have been broken. i wouldn't imagine there are a lot of accessories in the cabin.
 

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kevin said:
that cat looks thoroughly enthusiastic. like maybe 2 seconds away from clawing the guy's eyes out.

well that's the other thing that's so tragic about the 9/11 thing. the terrorists' success was based almost entirely off of the public's knowledge of previous hijackings......the plane lands...negotiations start. if everyone had bumrushed the hijackers from minute one, the planes never even would've crashed in the first place.

I have a larger version if you want it.

That's the thing, before, hardly anyone died in hijackings.
 

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Fly Navy said:
If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long would it take a monkey with a wooden leg to kick all the seeds out of a dill pickle?

I don't like riddles and that has got to be the most screwy one I've ever seen. What's the answer?
 

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Steve Wilkins said:
I don't like riddles and that has got to be the most screwy one I've ever seen. What's the answer?

I have NO clue lol. Someone posted it on another forum just as a goof.
 
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