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03AUG20 Pilot/NFO Board

goeagles

Member
Could you drop the title of the book? lol
I found Barron's Military Flight Aptitude Tests book was the best. I studied this book a few days before the test and did well enough to get selected (56 7/8/7). For me, the biggest part of preparation was mastering the directional awareness section that had the UAV and the compass. That being said, once you drill through the notecards available online, that part becomes really simple.
 

SHART

Well-Known Member
I think there's a whole thing on here by the forum mods about waiting for recruiters to tell their prospects about their status.
So if their recruiter just left on leave for a couple weeks just leave the applicants in the air? I also took it as more or less don't post information such as my recruiter said this or that. By posting actual information from mpte website you're not leading anyone astray. It will be recommended or not.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
Didn’t get selected. Applying for the next board and I was told by my recruiter that he thinks if I get more LOR’s from navy pilots I’ll be more competitive. Best of luck to those who got selected, that’s awesome!
You want a better shot study and get better scores, 2 of your scores are minimums and 1 is not a qualifying score, the board won't care about LORs

Also, there is a 6 month wait without significant change, significant change per NRC is change in GPA or ASTB
 

almond_615

Active Member
So if their recruiter just left on leave for a couple weeks just leave the applicants in the air? I also took it as more or less don't post information such as my recruiter said this or that. By posting actual information from mpte website you're not leading anyone astray. It will be recommended or not.
By him saying that the proper place to find out status is CoC or recruiter, then that's pretty solid. And recruiters have entire teams that help with processing applications. So if their recruiter is on leave, there is still many people in their NRD who can assist.

I also see it this way. The Navy tends to want promotion news delivered from the people closest to the Sailor (or potential Sailor), which is why they deliver results to commands first. I would hate to have put in a lot of time and effort helping someone to get to a point and not be able to be the first to congratulate them because they saw it on a non-Navy site first.
 

Poop

Member
You want a better shot study and get better scores, 2 of your scores are minimums and 1 is not a qualifying score, the board won't care about LORs

Also, there is a 6 month wait without significant change, significant change per NRC is change in GPA or ASTB
I was told by my recruiter I'm able to apply for the board coming up in December, when does this 6 month wait start? And what would be considered significant change? If I'm at a 48 6/6/6, 2.57 gpa and a waiver I'm assuming I'll have be in the 60s range and all 8's to even be considered, I'm assuming that may count as significant change for my astb scores.
 

angeblas

New Member
Didn’t get selected. Applying for the next board and I was told by my recruiter that he thinks if I get more LOR’s from navy pilots I’ll be more competitive. Best of luck to those who got selected, that’s awesome!
Did you have any waivers, if you don't mind me asking?

We have similar ASTB scores but I'll be applying to the January board.
 

Genericname13

New Member
Just got word, I was told my name didn't pop up, so I wasn't selected. I'm gonna have to score a lot higher with a low gpa and a waiver I have. I was gonna see about starting a study group, I think I may have one maybe 2 other people that are gonna be applying as well if you're interested in joining us.
Can I join your study group? I'm testing in 8 weeks.
 

Genericname13

New Member
I found Barron's Military Flight Aptitude Tests book was the best. I studied this book a few days before the test and did well enough to get selected (56 7/8/7). For me, the biggest part of preparation was mastering the directional awareness section that had the UAV and the compass. That being said, once you drill through the notecards available online, that part becomes really simple.
How many seconds did you get it down in? also, I found 2 online UAV flashcards online but which did you use and recommend?
 

bigbird

Biggest Bird
How many seconds did you get it down in? also, I found 2 online UAV flashcards online but which did you use and recommend?
Someone a while back made actual dichotic listening and UAV simulations for the 1000 ASTB thread. I’ll try to see if I can locate it and share that with all of you!
 

bigbird

Biggest Bird
I took the test today for my second time.

First attempt: 48 - 5/5/5 (12/19/2019)
Second attempt: 53 - 7/8/7 (2/25/2020)

Initially, I thought I was screwed, but my second score came to my surprise.

Because I got most of my degree done online, I really had to put a lot of effort into studying for this test. I studied full-time for about 4 months prior to my first attempt. After my failure, I took a few weeks off to relax before getting back into the game. During that time I also programmed my three practice simulators.

I had a hard time sleeping last night because I was so anxious, but at the same time super excited and eager to just get this test done once and for all. I got about 6 hours of sleep. I woke up and just ate a Cliff energy bar to tide myself over for the next 5 hours. I also ate a Snickers and drank some gatorade to give myself an energy boost shortly before I started. Do not eat too much, that got me my first test attempt. I ate pancakes and I was stuffed, big mistake! Just have a simple snack to tide you over.

What really helped was Kyle's ASTB Study Kit 2019, so take full advantage of it: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AvPi5oH_h_13TGajDvflDWkftwXO8LS6

Math:
Exponents, expressions, proportions, DRT problems, mixture problems, working-together problems, geometry, probabilities, and more.

If you're skeptical about your math abilities, no shame. Start fresh by watching all of MathAntics's videos on Youtube. You should also visit their website and run through their entire playlist. Then you need to really work on becoming fluent with algebraic word problems. Algebra is about solving for an unknown property. Every word problem involves an unknown property to solve for by writing an equation that represents the situation. Another Youtuber that was very helpful was The Organic Chemistry Tutor.

Watching Youtube videos, I learned more in one day than a semester back in High School.

I mean it, focus on the word problems. Especially DRT! Know the three DRT formulas.

What really helped me on the DRT word problems was writing down the most applicable DRT formula given the situation. For example, for problems involving when two planes will converge from a certain distance. I knew I needed to find how many hours. So the applicable formula was D=RT.

Reading:
Just read and understand what the passage is saying. Go over each answer choice one by one and rule them out! Look for details in the answer choices that conflict with the passage.

Most of the readings were Navy policy and history. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand what the passage is saying.

Mechanical:
A lot of random questions involving air density, air pressure, voltage, mechanical advantage of levers, and too much for me to recall.

Some questions involved fluid flow and volume. For example, at which point of the narrowed funnel does water flow the fastest? How airplanes fly with pressure differentiation, what point of the trajectory has the greatest velocity, etc...

Some harder problems asked me how much an object of weight on Earth would weigh on Mars given the planet's "acceleration of mass m/s^2 yatayatayata." I had to guess. Don't spend more than 10 seconds determining if you can solve it or not. If you know for sure you can't solve it, just guess it and move on.

Make sure you understand how to determine the MA of all simple machines. To name a few that were most important:
First-Class Lever: L1 * F1 = L2 * F2
Second & Third-Class Lever: Middle Force * Middle Length / End Length = Lift/Push Force
Hydraulic Jack: Output Radius / Input Radius #It can also be diameter since they're proportional.
Pulley MA: Count ropes supporting the moveable pulley.

Drill them into your head!

Momentrix OAR really helped with my mechanical knowledge.

If you have an engineering degree and/or background, you're at a tremendous advantage.

ANIT:
Bunch of typical aviation and Navy stuff. "How did aircraft carriers evolve to support the F-14?" I'm assuming larger jet-blast deflectors, but that wasn't a choice, so I selected more powerful catapults. Some other answer choices I recall that made me laugh were "more powerful aircraft, larger flight decks." Another interesting question "what aircraft was retrofitted to be a tanker during Operation Iraqi Freedom? - Super Hornet?". Definitely not the Harrier, the Tomcat, or the "Avenger?" Other questions I recall were "Famous dive bomber - Dauntless," "If all VASI lights red - too low," airport tower signal lights, angle of attack, flight deck crew colors, and much more. The only nautical question I got was "What happens to the freeboard if you add more weight to the ship?"

Read the gouges, visit a museum, practice flashcards, and much more. These really helped: https://www.cram.com/flashcards/test/astb-aviation-nautical-information-test-anit-comprehensive-4718163

BI-RV:
From what my recruiter told me, they recently did a software update to the test in Pensacola. They changed this section so now you just have to click the text to proceed to the next paired statement. That being said, break your habit of double-clicking!!! This was explicitly warned in the test section's instructions.

Some questions were "I occasionally run stop signs when in a hurry," "I get mad easily...," "my car occasionally runs out of gas," and a lot more! Just try not to contradict yourself. Be patient and read before you answer. Pilots should follow checklists to save themselves and the plane. If not sure, just select the least destructive scenario.

PBMB:
I wasn't prepared for the PBMB my first attempt, which is what killed my score. I have no doubt my simulators improved my stamina and gave me some serious practice.

See my past posts for the simulators I published for the tracking portions, dichotic listening test, and UAV test.

Although my recruiter laughed, I brought my own pair of headphones just in case of even the slightest chance of their headphones not working properly.

UAV Test:
I only missed one and that was because I heard someone laugh hysterically in the background which caught my attention off-guard. Take advantage of my UAV simulator. Create a strategy to answer each orientation in your head, rather than using the paper method. Make sure that you don't get them backwards like most people do. The red nose points to your heading, not the yellow tail!!! Run through my practice simulator repeatedly until your hand is sore! If you can train yourself to do them all in your head, you can get a score like this:

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Dichotic Listening Test:
On the dichotic listening test, clear your ears by swallowing, take a breath, and relax. Focus your attention in the active target ear. Do not press any trigger until you hear both characters have played in both the left and right ears. This is due to latency by a few milliseconds between the audio being played in one ear before the other. At one point I was quick to depress a trigger on the joystick, but quickly realized that number I responded to was from the non-target ear. Don't rush yourself!

What really helped me was to mentally repeat the characters that I heard in the target ear as they were playing.

Needless to say, take advantage of my dichotic listening simulator!

Tracking & Emergency Scenarios Test:
I cannot stress this enough, GET IN THE HABIT OF Y-AXIS LOOK INVERSION! If you play any FPS games like COD or Halo, set your look to inverted and deal with it! The Navy uses the Saitek X52 joystick. If this test means that much to you, I would even consider investing in one. I for one got the Logitech X56 HOTAS because I enjoy playing flight simulators as well.

For the Emergency Scenarios Test, memorize the emergency scenarios in your head. Repeat them even in your free time until they are drilled into your head!

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FIRE:
-Fuel: LOW
-Power: LOW
-Press the clutch!

ENGINE:
-Fuel: HIGH
-Power: HIGH
-Press the clutch!

PROPELLOR:
-Fuel: NEUTRAL
-Power: HIGH
-Press the clutch!

After you've tested on all three emergency scenarios, the gauges will disappear and you will have about 30 seconds to continue the multi-tracking. During that time just hang in there and give it your best shot to maximize your score! It's like the final round in the game. Immediately after, you will receive your final ASTB score.

A frequently asked question is what positions do the colors on the gauges represent. RED - HIGH, GREEN - NEUTRAL, YELLOW - LOW. See attached "EST-Examinees-attempt-to-track.png"

Look at "EST-Examinees-attempt-to-track.png" and just imagine yourself crosshair tracking two flies simultaneously with a flight sim joystick.

If you're computer savvy, take advantage of the tracking visualizer I made and use JoyToKey with a flight simulator joystick and bind it to your mouse cursor. Remember to make the Y-axis inverted (Up goes down and down goes up).

Lastly, don't die by the gouge! Read the test instructions beforehand to ensure no discrepancies from what you studied.

How often you practice shows how badly you want this career. Just don't schedule to take the ASTB until you're 100% comfortable with all of the material on this forum. Make the effort and research!
 

AO1SALAS

New Member
I am active duty. I put my package together myself, routed it through my chain of command for approval and CO recommendation and once it was finalized I emailed a scanned copy of it off myself.
Think you could PM about what your package looked like and how long youve been in age etc im 29 been in 11 applying this next board.
 

SHART

Well-Known Member
By him saying that the proper place to find out status is CoC or recruiter, then that's pretty solid. And recruiters have entire teams that help with processing applications. So if their recruiter is on leave, there is still many people in their NRD who can assist.

I also see it this way. The Navy tends to want promotion news delivered from the people closest to the Sailor (or potential Sailor), which is why they deliver results to commands first. I would hate to have put in a lot of time and effort helping someone to get to a point and not be able to be the first to congratulate them because they saw it on a non-Navy site first.
I'm active duty, and I found out from someone in the pipeline. My command is waiting for me to tell them I made it, not the other way around. It may be different for a recruiter, but being active putting a package together, getting LORs, and appraisals was all done by me. A command rep was just a final check.
 
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