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V-22 escort??
- Thread starter goosegagnon2
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Hooray for JOC porn!
Literally never been a thing with Marine line Battalions. Maybe some higher end SOF types. If you think you can stack the V diagram with robots at the battalion level and get the same amount of capability.... you're fucking high....
Also it's great that UAS can fly around the world and do shit but do not forget the value of detailed face to face planning. Being able to nug out a problem with a grunt officer two tents over before you hit starters has a lot more value than you think. Not to mention is void of all those comms issues you would have trying to email him from your trailer park in Nevada.
So it looks like we are all in agreement that this notional UAV is not an F-35 replacement, and will not do the F-35's job better.
The point of contention seems to be whether the marine corps should get out of the manned FW game altogether, whether to focus the next 30+ years on fighting low intensity counter insurgencies, or to have a capability to do more. I think we should have the capability to do more, and it looks like the decision makers feel the same way.
The point of contention seems to be whether the marine corps should get out of the manned FW game altogether, whether to focus the next 30+ years on fighting low intensity counter insurgencies, or to have a capability to do more. I think we should have the capability to do more, and it looks like the decision makers feel the same way.
I am not sure if the point of contention being argued here is whether the Marines need the F-35 or the MEU needs the F-35? Big Green as a whole needs a few types of fixed wing but there is a good case that the MEU - and the environment it would likely fight alone - would be better served by more drones and skids.
As a side note, I've always wondered if the MEU would be better served by a 105 howitzer or 120 mortar instead of the big 155. The smaller pieces are much more mobile due to being internally transportable by helo - thoughts on the latter point?
The VMU guys currently deployed ISO ground forces are co-located with the ground forces they support. They are living, working and conducting missions out of the same spaces together.
But even the AF guys could plant a GCS down forward- they just aren't willing to do so.
The FS-B was limited in payload and endurance by the airframe. The FS-C...well, you're not wrong that Big Navy and others are starting to see the possibilities a much bigger airframe affords, and they're getting excited about it.
The capability to do more at what cost? And is that cost worth it when it is provided by other services with much larger budgets? Are we going to use that capability consistently to justify the expense? We sure as hell have wasted our Hornet and Harrier fleets over the last 15 years conducting OPs that a much less complex, much cheaper airplane could do.
Right now, the Marine Corps is like a broke LCpl. All yut yut and rah rah. Every Lance Corporal out there wants a giant 4 wheel drive pick up truck that they can off road it, pull a freaking semi trailer, and rofl stomp zombies with- yet all they do is drive on the paved roads to and from work. We tell them that the 80,000 dollar truck is a stupid investment, and that if they want a pick up truck- buy the RWD Ford Ranger or the F-150 and borrow that giant behemoth from someone else who can afford it, if and when you need it.
I mean, what's next? The Marine Corps saying we need a few amphib capable strategic bombers for dedicated MEU support? We need to stop trying to act like we're a mini DoD.
FS-C looks to be a pretty sweet airplane with some great capabilities. There was talk of the VMX/VMU guys leasing 12 or so of them from the Navy, but that didn't come to fruition.
Don't you guys have to cut off a pinky finger or something if you spell it that way?
Kool Aid wears off
The same can be said for the Navy's hornets, growlers, E-2's. Same for the AF's F-16's, -15e's, B-1's. We should probably shitcan all those platforms too. Think how much money we'd save not using high end assets to drill holes in the sky and occasionally smite a shithead on a moped with a $50,000 weapon. We could buy a TON of UAV's then! Constant coverage!
As excited as HSC was to get into the armed helo game, I wouldn't be surprised if they slow rolled this system and (ironically) a chance to realistically support the trigger pullers.
Get out of the manned FW game altogether? It was whether or not the manned FW capabilities needed to be VTOL and operated from amphibs.
Marine Corps going all in on the VTOL design requirement has sparked cost overruns and delays for the entire F35 program and put it jeopardy several times, with the third order effect of having a bunch of Marines get killed in proficiency and maintence related mishaps involving aircraft the Corps has neglected, that would have otherwise been replaced years ago had the VTOL requirement stood in the way.
Has the juice been worth the squeeze? I'm not convinced it has.
Straw man argument much?