USNWC-JPME, JMO questions

[MAKE VAPES]

The Reserve ONLY thing is being worked on (I'll keep folks posted, understand the 10weeks in residence thing)... makes very little sense labeling it JPMEII "like": JQO Level 3 results after AJPME and requisite experience (so its the "same" as far as the academic requirement goes). Unlike the USNWC distance experience, this one is like 40 weekly mosquito bites.

 

[helolumpy]

The Reserve ONLY thing is being worked on (I'll keep folks posted, understand the 10weeks in residence thing)... /quote]

Unless something changed in the last 9 months, there is no push to get rid of the in-residence requirement for Phase II by any of the services.
I could see the Navy wanting to try to get a CDE Phase II, but I don't see the other services, the Joint Staff or Congress buying off on it.

 

[MAKE VAPES]

We'll see. One Curriculum, three delivery methods..... Cost-wise Professional Military Education, 24/7. All modes have merit, some are cheaper, some provide more face to face acculturation, some cater to CCDR acute needs. Things might change, when, if, I donno... but it makes perfect sense to me.

Course could use more Navy participation... if I could get on Bol, I might be able to confirm it shows up as JPMEII on your Navy record (not 100% sure)! More tomorrow maybe.

 

[a-6intruder]

I am a grad of AJPME (40 week blended in-house and on-line program) and on my OSR it is reflected in Special Quals section as "Advanced JPME." FYI, I am also JQO JQS Level 3, and that is reflected on the OSR, so the system seems to work for allowing AJPME to suffice for Reservists to then work towards various Joint Qual Levels...

 

[MAKE VAPES]

There is a move to change the legislation.... they are allowing satellite programs on a case by case basis... NCR? Perhaps the reality that technology can close the transactional distance students experience will allow folks stuck on brick and mortar education to expand their horizons. I've done both in residence, box-o-books DL, and hybrid... taught the first and the last. Funny, the Process for Accreditation of Joint Education (PAJE) doesn't have a separate checklist to accredit something that is "similar in content, but not identical to the in residence Joint Forces Staff College course"... NDU's syllabus doesn't match JFSCs, the in residence senior service schools don't either...
No kidding, the AC folks would benefit from having (the right) RC folks in their classroom... and clearly vice versa... Total Force Education??? 24/7 World-wide Education to the Warfighter? Services can always be as biased towards in residence as they wish on promotion boards... almost every person I sat with at ACSC had done the syllabus via DL prior to showing up as the golden in residence children...
Sorry for resurrecting the thread jack.

 

[vxc961]

Make Vapes-No apologies necessary! I have to grudgingly admit that I've really enjoyed the NWC JPME stuff. I started the AF stuff a while ago, and just couldn't get into it, while the Navy's version seemed much more like what I would expect a staff/senior officer to know. It can be tough with a civilian job, a wife who actually wants to spend time with me, and kids who want to see their dad, but I think it's been worth it. I'm actually trying to go SELRES (from IRR) now, and I'm hoping to apply for AJPME--you're no small part of that!

 

[m5h9]

Does anyone have a valid link to the Air Force JPME I? The link via google search brings up a dead link and has for a few months at: http://www.au.af.mil/au/404.asp

Or, is this part of the mandatory- soon to be released (in geologic terms) upgrade? The links at the npc website appear to be in similar condition. Thanks.

 

[subreservist]

Does anyone have a valid link to the Air Force JPME I? The link via google search brings up a dead link and has for a few months at: http://www.au.af.mil/au/404.asp

Or, is this part of the mandatory- soon to be released (in geologic terms) upgrade? The links at the npc website appear to be in similar condition. Thanks.

Well, I finally got this response when I asked about AF JPME: http://www.acsc.maxwell.af.mil

One of my SELRES shipmates showed me a glimpse of AF JPME and it definitely seemed easier and less intrusive than what I heard for other services. Mainly due to everything being online, so you can search, skim a lot easier than having text books.

The only issue is when you get done with Air Force JPME, I am not sure if you get reserve points on the Navy-side when complete. You obviously get credited for JPME on your OSR/PSR (but you may have to be proactive sending the certificate to PERS). But my shipmate is trying to figure how it translates to points and who to forward it to. It has been well documented on here how many points Navy JPME is and how to do it, so I will just tell him to send his stuff to the same place. But not sure how they translate to points, since there are 12 modules, vice 3 for Navy...

 

[m5h9]

Thanks. I plan on taking it after my Anniversary Year rolls over. The all online self paced stuff seems a better option to me.

I'm pretty sure you can send them to the same PERS-9X? you send NETC certificates to for points/crediting (roughly 2/3rds the points of NWC due to short courses vice long instructional ones). Although, I have been waiting for 4 months for NETC courses to post after submitting a few times, but this rant may be better suited for the irr-courses-in-a-cac-only-world thread.

 

[vxc961]

Thanks. I plan on taking it after my Anniversary Year rolls over. The all online self paced stuff seems a better option to me.

I'm pretty sure you can send them to the same PERS-9X? you send NETC certificates to for points/crediting (roughly 2/3rds the points of NWC due to short courses vice long instructional ones). Although, I have been waiting for 4 months for NETC courses to post after submitting a few times, but this rant may be better suited for the irr-courses-in-a-cac-only-world thread.

Yeah, we could start a whole thread on PERS customer service. I had actually called them to ask about Navy reserve points for AFJPME. After 20 minutes on hold/transfer, I was told "uh...no, you don't get Navy retirement points for that." It was definitely a "I don't want to talk to this guy, and I don't want him to call back" response, so I never believed it, BUT it doesn't bode well for those points posting anytime soon!

 

[subreservist]

Decided to post this here...

I'm in-residence at Newport for the 2 week JMO operational support course. Highly recommended if you can support the time away from your employer! This covers the final 2 modules (the OPORD stuff), which I heard is the most painful part of JMO. You then have the option of completing it via web or CD. I'm still deciding which way to go. With web, you have to wait in cue until you "class up", whereas CD you can start right away and self-paced. The CD has a paper to write after each section-so 3 papers for modules 1, 2 & 3; not sure of the requirements for web. I'm trying to find out more firsthand while I'm here. My problem is (for me) CD is faster if you stick with it and knock it out (a plus!), but the web kinda holds your hand which I probably need to help me get through it less painfully (although longer and probably more assignments than just the papers the CD requires).

They only allow you the CD if you are scheduled to do the 2 week course and I was told on average (if you stick with it) would take 12 weeks to finish modules 1-3 of the CD.

With web, after you class up, you complete modules 1-3 on the web and inform your professor that you completed the last modules already (which is documented) and then you get to bow out and the NWC annotates your completion for JMO in its entirety.

Oh, and the points are still under review as they want to capture points based on which road you take to get to JPME vice a blanket point structure (48 points for each course as previous). So they have already modified it, but they are looking to modify it even further based on the amount of time put in to achieve course completion.

 

[subreservist]

Just in case I can't catch the web coordinator while I'm here, can anyone chime in on some of the requirements of the web for JMO? I have heard some mention occasional postings to discussion boards and most likely the same papers at the end of the modules. Any quizzes, etc?? I'm wondering if the web papers are the same length as the CD...

 

[subreservist]

Just to follow-up...I got all my questions answered. I compared and determined the content for web and CD were essentially the same, except web has some non-graded quizzes and busy work. So I'll be completing the remaining modules via CD...LOL!

 

[subreservist]

I know you guys are tired of reading on this subject...lol!

As everyone is aware, the correspondence course point structure has changed and I think it is already reflected for the JPME courses in the last N7 published list. The web-enabled points are: S&W - 34pts, TSDM - 40pts and JMO - 68pts (no longer 48pts each). For those that are able to do it through CD (typically applies to active guys on deployment): S&W- 14, TSDM - 23, and JMO - 36.

It's prorated down even further for those that do the 2 week courses, as you gain points from being on active duty and have less coursework to complete afterwards.

The overall points for JPME only shorts you 2pts total, but the takeaway for the IRR types is you may have to plan a little differently if you are trying to use the course to complete a good year (i.e. S&W alone will not be enough).

The link to NWC JPME retirement points: https://www.usnwc.edu/Departments--...E-Courses-at-NWC/Retirement-Point-Awards.aspx

 

[subreservist]

Figure I'd dig this old thread up for one last update. Kinda embarrassing to finally get around to completing the JMO section of JPME after taking the 2 week support course in Dec 14! After completing the 2 weeks, you are credited for completing Blocks 4 & 5 (OPORD); those who chose were given CDs to finish Block 1-3 at their own pace. I would look at the material of the CD and just couldn't motivate myself to start. Finally decided on Web-enabled to get me through.

Cohort start November 2016 and ends the 1st week of Aug 17, with break for Xmas/New Years (and really not much for Thanksgiving week).

The material for Web and CD is the same except there is a 15% contribution grade for Web. Web also provides more retirement points than CD. Block 1 really starts with a kick because the assignment requires a thesis, bibliography and footnotes which on the surface can seem like a pain if you don't like writing papers. This was part of the reason I could never get into the CD. But the Web, particularly the discussion questions, helped steer my focus. Once Block 1 is done, you can kinda cruise through Block 2 & 3, as that is just writing without the formality (although I was challenged in trying to figure out what assets to send from other services to a conflict).

At the end of Block 3, I was done (30 April), so the 2 week course saved me from 3 more months of the cohort. Also, looking ahead to Web Block 4 seemed more involved than I recall for my 2 week course, so I'm glad I did it in Newport (plus it was a fun trip).

We started with 20 students and 4 must have dropped. They probably got caught up in how involved the 1st assignment seems. I kept it simple by focusing on the Falkland conflict and using just 2 resources for everything I wrote about. You can easily do just enough reading to get by or go all out and absorb as much as you can; as long as you turn in a product, you should gain a passing grade.

I highly recommend the 2 week Reserve Officer Operational Support courses. I did both Strategy & War and JMO 2 week sessions and plan on doing it again for TSDM!