Such language, Wink.
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NEWS USAF Fighter And Bomber Crews Get Modified M4 Rifles That Fit Under Ejection Seats
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I am trying to set a good example for Congress.
Dude you just might want to consider the company with which you are discussing this topic. Many of the Marines here have done FAC tours in conventional battalions and SOF units. That last sentence isn’t a unique trait to you. Secondly, it does not eminently qualify you as an expert. I know plenty of grunts and SOF personnel alike that couldn’t lead themselves or fruit loops out of a wet paper bag with or without a weapon.
These are things done during predeoyment work ups and reiterated during said deployment. In addition to the fact that during dirt dets, carrying an M9, M4, or M16A4 around was the normal for most Marines and I assume most soldiers. If I was going downtown over Indian country as regularly as Navy and Marine TACAIR guys were as of late, You’d be sure as shit I’d be interested in the status of my weapon like @Treetop Flyer does.
In short: None of that shit is hard....and who the fuck fires a rifle with one hand? You mean run the length of a football field with maybe equivalent of about 25 lbs worth of gear? Are you serious? Nobody is saying that you’re going to go full retard and make a last stand at the Allamo or take Omaha Beach, but you should be atleast have a professional mindset as a warfighting service (I.e. The Navy) if even the chance of it exists. That includes being aware of the capability of your weapon and providing yourself with the best chance for survival.
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Agreed, and that is why I find the policy of not "allowing" aircrew to load their pistols when flying into combat extremely disheartening, to say the least. I have railed against it for years, and will continue to do so unless the policy is updated to reflect the realities of combat. The solution to CAG shooting a RR chair was better training (e.g. proper firearms discipline), not the effective disarmament of combat aircrew.
I was trusted to help operate a crew-served weapon . . . specifically, a $52 million combat aircraft. But if I so much as chambered a round in an $800 pistol, I'd have been sent home.
@Hotdogs Dude, I am fully aware of the people I am talking too and about. I’ve spent plenty of time with Marine FACs and other services Terminal Controllers. So what? I know one FAC who needed an E4 to point out shit on the map for him. Just like ground pounders, some are good and some suck.
As an attack helicopter driver I am sure you take good care of your weapons, or at least I hope you do, but how how many guys not on dirt-det get that kind of experience and time?
So in the end your argument is that none of this rifle shit is hard? Really? Look, you learned to fly a helicopter at Whiting, right? So why are you wasting tax player dollars flying 20 or 30 hours a month? I mean why not just fly two hours a year and call yourself an expert? We all know why, because flying is a skill you need to keep up...well so are the fundamentals of marksmanship and ground survival. Who fires a rifle with one hand...NO ONE except an idiot. That’s my point. Who has 6 primary tasks and 33 sub-tasks on their immediate actions list when downed in enemy territory...YOU DO, and most of those tasks require one or more hands.
As an attack helicopter driver I am sure you take good care of your weapons, or at least I hope you do, but how how many guys not on dirt-det get that kind of experience and time?
So in the end your argument is that none of this rifle shit is hard? Really? Look, you learned to fly a helicopter at Whiting, right? So why are you wasting tax player dollars flying 20 or 30 hours a month? I mean why not just fly two hours a year and call yourself an expert? We all know why, because flying is a skill you need to keep up...well so are the fundamentals of marksmanship and ground survival. Who fires a rifle with one hand...NO ONE except an idiot. That’s my point. Who has 6 primary tasks and 33 sub-tasks on their immediate actions list when downed in enemy territory...YOU DO, and most of those tasks require one or more hands.
Compromise: Navy Acquisition procures several folding M4 kits from the USAF and conducts tests of them installed under the seats of MQ-8 pilots.
Sling rifle, dude.
You rock on you Infantry stud! Kill ‘em all!
I love a compromise.
Your arguments are getting worse, if that’s actually possible.
As an aside, the VQ community has determined the M-4 to be of marginal use in an EDP situation and will continue to issue the crash axe...
Carry on!
Carry on!
Yeah baby! If I get shot down in my 1946 Luscombe 8A I will have legit Army issue 1911 .45 and M1 Garand, black Nikes, tan 5.11 cargo pants with tactical instructor belt and clip knife in the back pocket, skin tight performance T shirt, tan ball cap with subdued American flag and I swear first thing I will do is get out a sharpie and draw a bad ass "tattoo" on my arm. Unfortunately, my beard doesn't grow fast enough to get that awesome SOF beard the enemy fears so much, before I have to kill 'em all.
Damn, you own the only aircraft in the US mine can catch up too! If I were you I’d skip the hat and go for the torn-tee shirt head tie. Far more cool.
You don’t have to buy what I’m selling friend. I’m good with that.
Time for some hummus!