Discussion in 'Main Forum' started by Randy Daytona, Jan 30, 2017.
Then there was his son, Carl Jr., famous for hamburgers and outstanding commercials...
And it would still be around if Princip hadn't stopped for that f&#$%* sandwich.
Looking back at the AW politics threads from 2004, it seems like almost everyone (with one or two exceptions) was a conservative back then. Right now it seems more like a 60/40 or even 50/50 split. I know an internet forum isn't representative of anything, but as a politics nerd, what gives?
I dunno, let's ask a politics nerd. Hey @Caesium , what gives?
Maybe 9/11 (at least initially) led to most military personnel rallying around Bush and the GOP, and since that effect wore off the military is reverting to its pre-9/11 partisan composition, which is to say mostly (but not overwhelmingly) conservative but with a lot of moderates and some liberals mixed in.
But that's just a wild guess. I may be a politics nerd, but I'm not all that smart--hence why I majored in history.
Conservative vs liberal is too nebulous to define the splintering of long held coalitions and reforming of new ones. Michael Lind wrote a good article earlier calling it "globalist" vs "nationalist". Peggy Noonan called it the "Protected" vs the "Unprotected". Others simply called it "urban" vs "rural". As long as the definitions are in flux, it is hard to define who is who.
But kissing the Pope's ass . . . err, ring . . . was good for business. Interesting how Charlemagne's five descendents all got territory, but only two of those really lasted.
West Francia - France.
East Francia - Germany.
Lotharingia (between the two) - the stuff Germany and France would keep squabbling over until 1945.
Edit: five descendents, not three sons, and I forgot Burgundy and Italy. Of course, Burgundy later merged with France, and Italy didn't include Naples at that time . . .
My favorite part of Medevil History as a undergrad was reading and discussing "The Song Of Roland". Rear guard action across the Pyrenees.............old school.
Good articles out today, in particular these two from Foreign Affairs.
The Liberal Order Is Rigged
Fix It Now or Watch It Wither
Is America Still Safe for Democracy?
Why the United States Is in Danger of Backsliding
Also of interest: The new host on PBS's Washington Week is Robert Costa of the Washington Post, replacing the late Gwen Ifill.
EDIT: This was intriguing, especially coming from the Washington Post.
Two-thirds of Americans think that the Democratic Party is out of touch with the country
But none of this means that Democrats are seen as echoing the concerns of the common man. In fact, the Democratic Party is viewed as more out of touch than either Trump or the party’s political opponents. Two-thirds of Americans think the Democrats are out of touch — including nearly half of Democrats themselves.
The problem with both sides is they care 0 about anyone. They have been getting away with it for so long but now people are tired of it and are speaking out. The division is so extreme you're either a racist or a liberal. Most citizens are firmly in the middle and want someone who show the same values.
Then they should vote. As long as the extremes remain the reliable voters they will get pandered to. Until this theoretical moderate middle ground of America starts voting consistently they will get nothing and like it.
I think the liberal<---->conservative spectrum has shifted pretty heavily over the last few years, mainly due to the rise of the Tea Party and what I will refer to as the "Populist movement" that Trump has created. Those and other factors have led to a dynamic shift of what WAS center. I, as someone who 2-3 years ago, considered myself to be pretty conservative have found myself as more of a liberal now because of just how ridiculous the "conservative right" has become.
As someone on the other end of the spectrum, I'd say I used to consider myself relatively centric but, because of how radically far left Democrats have gone under Obama, I consider myself solidly conservative.
Some of it may have to do with age/life experience of the posters on here. Folks who have been posting for several years may have changed their political views due to a change on their end or other changes as others have detailed above.
I'd also wager that more fleet JOs identify as conservative than liberal due to various factors and that this may change as people progress in age.
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