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Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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Then what's you're point? This behavior didn't start when Trump took office. Do you think if Trump were nicer, Kim wouldn't have tested his new toys??
Well, I'm not sure this helped the situation or our credibility.

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Well to hear you guys tell it, "Trump had us on the brink of war!"....the left sure makes it seem new and like it's unprecedented behavior. (Manufactured outrage, is what that's called)
I wasn't one of 'you guys'.

How close do you think Trump is from pulling US troops from SK based on his trust of Kim Jong Un to keep his word?
That is part of the problem, I don't think anyone knows what the President plans to do.

Yet you wait until Trumps first 18 months of presidency to seek accountability from a US president.
The President has made several inaccurate statements about what he has accomplished thus far with North Korea, going so far as to say "I have solved that problem. That problem is largely solved". North Korea has proven to be an intractable problem for 13 Presidents now, I don't look for 'accountability' in 'solving it' but certainly some accountability if one claims to have solved it but hasn't.
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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Does this traveling shitshow of an administration ever appear to be remotely organized, really? In your heart of hearts, do you honestly look at them, from POTUS on down and say,”Wow, they are running like a well-oiled machine. That’s a great organization!”

I’m not talking ideology. I’m talking management. I’m talking communications. I’m talking message discipline. They contradict each other and even themselves on a minute-to-minute basis. Key staff turnover is in excess of 40%.

Do you folks honestly believe this is 5 dimensional chess? Because that’s bonkers. You’re either lying to yourselves or to us.

And if you still contend it is well-concealed brilliance, please make your case on its own merits, without mentioning Obama or Hillary.
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
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Does this traveling shitshow of an administration ever appear to be remotely organized, really? In your heart of hearts, do you honestly look at them, from POTUS on down and say,”Wow, they are running like a well-oiled machine. That’s a great organization!”

I’m not talking ideology. I’m talking management. I’m talking communications. I’m talking message discipline. They contradict each other and even themselves on a minute-to-minute basis. Key staff turnover is in excess of 40%.

Do you folks honestly believe this is 5 dimensional chess? Because that’s bonkers. You’re either lying to yourselves or to us.

And if you still contend it is well-concealed brilliance, please make your case on its own merits, without mentioning Obama or Hillary.
He's doing exactly what I want my President to do. So can I overlook some ill timed and ill advised tweets. Absofuckinglutely!
 

wink

VS NFO. Blue and Gold Off. Former Recruiter.
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Does this traveling shitshow of an administration ever appear to be remotely organized, really? In your heart of hearts, do you honestly look at them, from POTUS on down and say,”Wow, they are running like a well-oiled machine. That’s a great organization!”

I’m not talking ideology. I’m talking management. I’m talking communications. I’m talking message discipline. They contradict each other and even themselves on a minute-to-minute basis. Key staff turnover is in excess of 40%.

Do you folks honestly believe this is 5 dimensional chess? Because that’s bonkers. You’re either lying to yourselves or to us.

And if you still contend it is well-concealed brilliance, please make your case on its own merits, without mentioning Obama or Hillary.
I am honestly disappointed in the traveling shit show. I'd like to see efficiency in everything from message to policy to congressional relationships. But only because if they really had their shit in one sock their success would serve to make detractors even more apeshit than they are, with no real reason to be so.
 

robav8r

D-FENS
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And if you still contend it is well-concealed brilliance, please make your case on its own merits, without mentioning Obama or Hillary.
I think this is something that gets lost, continuously, by those on the left. President Trump certainly displays, at least on the boob tube and social hysteria (which doesn't really mean anything IMHO), a certain, unpolished aura wrt his staff and public appearances. But no one cares. He isn't Crooked Hillary or Game Show Obama, and that's all that matters . . . . Just my .02c
 

ChuckMK23

Former H-46 Driver
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I think this is something that gets lost, continuously, by those on the left. President Trump certainly displays, at least on the boob tube and social hysteria (which doesn't really mean anything IMHO), a certain, unpolished aura wrt his staff and public appearances. But no one cares. He isn't Crooked Hillary or Game Show Obama, and that's all that matters . . . . Just my .02c
I’d rather have a Harvard grad in the WH any day!
 

Angry

NFO in Jax
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I assume you are referring to graduate school...

In all fairness, he chose to become a billionaire instead. I know plenty of Wharton (and Harvard) Biz school graduates who haven't accumulated that much success despite their "better" education.
 

wink

VS NFO. Blue and Gold Off. Former Recruiter.
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Super Moderator
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The same folks that insist on not labeling people with a D or R, Left or Right, and just "vote for the candidate", are the first to display education snobbery. They want you to think they are above the labels and mud flights. That they are moderate and take in all sides. But in the end, they value a MBA, or JD from a certain few universities as if that indicates high character, leadership and principles. Hell, it doesn't even promise real wisdom.
 
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