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phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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If flinched means she signaled a willingness to talk over several months, subject to approval by the WTO and multiple other countries, sure. Wow. Winning so hard. Luckily, the rubes losing their jobs already don’t seem to care, so Trump has that going for him, which is nice.
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
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If flinched means she signaled a willingness to talk over several months, subject to approval by the WTO and multiple other countries, sure. Wow. Winning so hard. Luckily, the rubes losing their jobs already don’t seem to care, so Trump has that going for him, which is nice.
The fact that Merkel realizes what a huge impact it can have on their auto industry and that she apparently realizes that Trump isn’t bluffing is big. That’s a big voice in the UE now working in Trumps favor.
 
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Flash

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...I'm baffled that you want to hold Trumps feet to the fire when he's done more in his first year and a half in office to deal with this problem than Obama even thought about doing in 8 years. Let's fault the guy that's trying to solve the problem and let the guy off the hook that kicked the can 8 years down the road. Makes sense.
Has he though? Since the President took office North Korea has apparently tested not only two different types of ICBM's but also a thermonuclear weapon. Only after testing their new nuke and missiles that can apparently reach CONUS did they decide they were ready to start talking. To say that more has been done to 'deal with this problem' in the past 18 months ignores the decades of successive Presidents dealing with the North Korean problem or the efforts of the last three decades aimed specifically at their nuclear and missile programs.

The devil's in the details as it often is, Talks on tariffs, on reducing tariffs, for which I’m prepared, can’t only be done with the U.S.,” Merkel said. “Rather, we have to do it with all countries with which we have trade in automobiles, because otherwise it wouldn’t conform with WTO.

Given the President's evident dislike of multilateral forums, organizations and engagement I am not sure the German Chancellor's 'flinch' is as big as some suppose.
 

ChuckMK23

Former H-46 Driver
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On a side note - loving former USAF H-60 CSAR driver MJ Hegar's campaign ad for TX-31! Veterans, decorated for valor combat veterans running for elected office in a representative republic is an awesome thing.


Edit - strapped herself to the skids of the rescuing OH-58 and returned fire while wounded - pretty awesome test of character.
 

wink

VS NFO. Blue and Gold Off. Former Recruiter.
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Slick well done piece. I like it. I attended a wide ranging speech and Q&A (over an hour) by MJ Hegar presented to a private professional group. Good stuff about her shoot down. She is humble and very free with her praise of others, both in the shoot down/rescue and the balance of her military career. Mrs Wink spoke with her briefly after and she has read Hegar's book. Her military record stands on its own and she does appear to be a woman of character, although that is in jeopardy now that she is a politician. Note, the video says NOTHING about her politics, expect the notation of Democrat on her campaign signs. She actually is very much left of center. If anyone in TX-31 cares about the actual politics of a candidate and the policies they will promote, then you will have to know a lot more about Hegar then is in this video. Good luck to her. Personally, I'd rather drink beers with her and tell sea stories then have her represent me in Congress. But the good folks of TX-31 get to choose, not me.
 

Flash

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Her military record stands on its own and she does appear to be a woman of character, although that is in jeopardy now that she is a politician.
Really? I don't think being a politician has a detrimental effect on one's character, it may be reveal things that otherwise might have not been visible or apparent but rarely does it change one's character.
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
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Has he though? Since the President took office North Korea has apparently tested not only two different types of ICBM's but also a thermonuclear weapon. Only after testing their new nuke and missiles that can apparently reach CONUS did they decide they were ready to start talking. To say that more has been done to 'deal with this problem' in the past 18 months ignores the decades of successive Presidents dealing with the North Korean problem or the efforts of the last three decades aimed specifically at their nuclear and missile programs.
Class is now in session: Student: Flash

On February 12th, 2017...25 days after Trump took office, North Korea launched their *NEW* medium range ballistic missile. Are you prepared to make the assert that the researched, developed, and tested that missile in the 25 days that Trump was president? (God help us if you are) or was that done while Obama was in office?

On April 5th, 2017... 71 days after Trump took office, North Korea *LAUNCHED WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE THE FIRST TEST* of the Hwasong-12, a liquid-fueled intermediate-range ballistic missile, with an expected range of 2,800 miles. Are you prepared to make the assertion that they researched, developed, and got to the testing phase that missile in the 71 days that Trump was president?

On July 4th, 2017...5 months after Trump took office, North Korea conducts *ITS FIRST EVER ICBM TEST* with an estimated range of 6,200 miles, capable of reaching most of the continental US. Are you prepared to sit there with a straight face and claim that North Korea researched, developed, and tested their first ICBM ever all within 5 months of Trump taking office?

September 3rd, 2017... 7 months after Trump took office, North Korea tested their thermonuclear weapon you referred to, widely thought to be their most powerful nuclear test to date (and claimed to be designed for a long range missile). Are you prepared to make the claim that this weapon was researched, developed, and tested with the first 7 months of Trump taking office?

The testing of these weapons in the first 7 months of Trumps presidency is the tip of the iceberg. The majority of the iceberg (the research and development of these weapons) happened on Obama's watch. I think everyone on this forum would agree that saying these weapons went from idea to R&D to ready for testing during this timeline is fucking ludicrous.

In 17 months Trump went from dealing with a rogue dictator threatening nuclear war to that same dictator asking for a summit to talk complete denuclearization. And Trump didn't act fast enough for you? You are so triggered by Trump you must not even be able to think straight. That's the only conclusion I can come to on this.

Are you ready to face reality that this shit was years in the making? (Not months)
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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And Trump has actually gone backwards and made things worse. No one expected him to solve this, but he could, at the very least, not bring us to the brink of war ("I have a bigger button?" WTF is that about? Are you six?), have a summit that accomplished nothing but get KJU positive press, brag that he solved the problem, then get publicly dissed and made a fool of.

Before, everyone just dismissed NK propaganda as kooky, but ever since Trump testified that he's an amazing guy who cares about his people, he's left looking more than a little foolish.

No one expects a miracle, but Trump keeps saying "I alone can fix it," then doesn't.
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
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And Trump has actually gone backwards and made things worse. No one expected him to solve this, but he could, at the very least, not bring us to the brink of war ("I have a bigger button?" WTF is that about? Are you six?), have a summit that accomplished nothing but get KJU positive press, brag that he solved the problem, then get publicly dissed and made a fool of.

Before, everyone just dismissed NK propaganda as kooky, but ever since Trump testified that he's an amazing guy who cares about his people, he's left looking more than a little foolish.

No one expects a miracle, but Trump keeps saying "I alone can fix it," then doesn't.
You don’t want Trump to start a war by being mean. You don’t want him to try peace through diplomacy. What is it that you want? Tell me what you want. I want to hear it out of your mouth so when Trump does do it, we can revisit this conversation. What is it?

And thank you for not trying to argue the point I just made with the timeline above.
 

Flash

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Class is now in session...Are you prepared to make the assert...The testing of these weapons in the first 7 months of Trumps presidency is the tip of the iceberg. The majority of the iceberg (the research and development of these weapons) happened on Obama's watch. I think everyone on this forum would agree that saying these weapons went from idea to R&D to ready for testing during this timeline is fucking ludicrous.
I never asserted that the majority of the development went on during the President's watch, just that they happened during his term so far. To assert that would be absurd, just as absurd to assert that the majority of the R&D went on during President Obama's watch when the North Koreans have been testing ever larger missiles and space launch vehicles for well over two decades, and nukes since 2006.

In 17 months Trump went from dealing with a rogue dictator threatening nuclear war to that same dictator asking for a summit to talk complete denuclearization. And Trump didn't act fast enough for you? You are so triggered by Trump you must not even be able to think straight. That's the only conclusion I can come to on this.
Do you really think any of this is new? Threatening nuclear war? All in a day's work for the North Korean press for the last 15 or so years. That North Korea hasn't desperately been wanting to talk to a US President, even former ones, for years? To be treated as an equal? Why do you think they only acceded to releasing some US hostages if a former President came to get them and took pics with the Dear Leader back in 2009?

Or their talk about 'deescalating' things on the Korean peninsula? All of it on their terms though, which are nothing less than surrendering our alliance with South Korea and withdrawal of all US forces from the peninsula. None of it is new, except to folks who are unaware of the history of the conflict that has been ongoing for the past 70 years.

"After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” Trump said. “I felt pretty strongly that [China] had a tremendous power over North Korea. But it’s not what you would think.”

Are you ready to face reality that this shit was years in the making? (Not months)
It has been about seven decades in the making.
 
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picklesuit

Living the GeoBachelor dream...
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I guess we know where CNN stands on the pick for SCOTUS...
I’m pretty dumb when it comes to the judicial system, so I’d be interested to hear some more nuanced views from people here that aren’t trying to sell TV.

I’ll be honest, until Justice Kennedy announced his plan to retire, I’d never heard of Kavanaugh...
 

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Treetop Flyer

Well-Known Member
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And Trump has actually gone backwards and made things worse. No one expected him to solve this, but he could, at the very least, not bring us to the brink of war ("I have a bigger button?" WTF is that about? Are you six?), have a summit that accomplished nothing but get KJU positive press, brag that he solved the problem, then get publicly dissed and made a fool of.

Before, everyone just dismissed NK propaganda as kooky, but ever since Trump testified that he's an amazing guy who cares about his people, he's left looking more than a little foolish.

No one expects a miracle, but Trump keeps saying "I alone can fix it," then doesn't.
We’re no closer to war with NK than any time in the last 65 years. Or maybe closer to 40 since they last killed an American serviceman. Grow up.
 
I guess we know where CNN stands on the pick for SCOTUS...
I’m pretty dumb when it comes to the judicial system, so I’d be interested to hear some more nuanced views from people here that aren’t trying to sell TV.

I’ll be honest, until Justice Kennedy announced his plan to retire, I’d never heard of Kavanaugh...

I don't pretend my opinion counts for anything but I do have Judge in my username and I don't sell TV and at least I had heard of him before (mostly from being dorky enough to sign up for constitutional history for the little that's worth)

My biggest takeaway is he's not some loon Trump pulled from nowhere, which I'm sure could be the likely media narrative in the confirmation fight, he's a pretty respected jurist appointed to what's widely considered the most prestigious of America's courts of appeals under Bush with a pretty substantial career both professionally and academically (2 degrees from Yale, instructor at Harvard, Georgetown and Yale) before that. And he clerked for Justice Kennedy himself. He's a top tier judge who honestly could have been appointed by any Republican President.

I also liked his remarks at the announcement, they seemed pretty deliberately aimed at consensus-building, I'd vote to confirm if I could (alas I cannot).
 

Brett327

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Everyone on the left lost their shit when Scalia, one of the more orthodox conservatives to ever sit on that bench, was replaced by another conservative in Gorsuch. Everyone calls Kennedy the swing justice, but he has been relatively conservative in his rulings. I haven’t studied Kavanaugh yet, so I don’t have an informed opinion on him, but I think an effort to outright overturn Roe v. Wade, as has been suggested, would be a big political mistake for Republicans.
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
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I never asserted that the majority of the development went on during the President's watch, just that they happened during his term..
Then what's you're point? This behavior didn't start when Trump took office. Do you think if Trump were nicer, Kim wouldn't have tested his new toys??

Do you really think any of this is new? Threatening nuclear war? All in a day's work for the North Korean press for the last 15 or so years.
Well to hear you guys tell it, "Trump had us on the brink of war!"....the left sure makes it seem new and like it's unprecedented behavior. (Manufactured outrage, is what that's called)

Or their talk about 'deescalating' things on the Korean peninsula? All of it on their terms though, which are nothing less than surrendering our alliance with South Korea and withdrawal of all US forces from the peninsula.
How close do you think Trump is from pulling US troops from SK based on his trust of Kim Jong Un to keep his word?

It has been about seven decades in the making.
Yet you wait until Trumps first 18 months of presidency to seek accountability from a US president.
 
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