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Ultimate Fitness Thread

Old post but interesting I think for prepping for OCS. I think bodyweight exercises are a great measure of fitness — albeit not necessarily absolute strength. A lot of absolute strength is simply a function of mass. There’s a reason football players at the NFL combine bench 225 like it’s nothing (aside from being strong and in shape): they weigh well over 225 in most cases. Makes it easier. Weightlifting strength is dependent on body mass to a large extent.

When I was considering Marine OCS, I did pull-ups — a lot of them. (Still do. Best way IMO to get strong back/nice lats/build pullin strength. Way better than the pulldown machine.) Marines have to do fewer pull-ups, sure. But Marine Officer candidates should be shooting for around 20+ — not the minimums. To induct into OCS you have to do 8 minimum but that won’t get you selected.

The new APFT is cool in theory. But, if you’re a fit and strong person, I don’t think doing 60-70 pushups in 2 minutes is too high a bar — that’s just my view of it. The new APFT is impractical and unwieldy, and some folks in the Army are starting to lament about it because it’s difficult and costly (time and money) to administer, so we shall see how it goes.
 

Sculpin

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I don’t think doing 60-70 pushups in 2 minutes is too high a bar
They aren't regular push-ups. They're release push-ups, so you lower your torso to the deck, lift your hands off, then put them back down and push up. It's also the third event in the ACFT. I think one of the best parts of the ACFT is replacing situps with leg tucks and in fact one of the goals was to reduce injuries incurred by the current APFT. Situps are an excellent way to strain your lower back, especially when you're cranking them out at diarrhea speed.

are starting to lament about it because it’s difficult
That's part of the point. It's meant to do more than test your muscle memory in your pecs/tris/delts and hip flexors.
 
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Situps are an excellent way to strain your lower back, especially when you're cranking them out.
Yeah, I completely agree that sit-ups suck and cause problems, but I also tend to think that deadlifting is gonna cause more problems with lower-backs down the road than sit-ups ever caused — particularly with soldiers who don’t do deadlifts in their normal exercise/ physical fitness routine and try to max the weight to max the event.

And when I said lamenting about the test being more difficult, I meant adminstering the test and not the actual events—haven’t heard anything about the events and their difficulty: https://mtntactical.com/knowledge/7...bat-readiness-test-proposed-replacement-apft/
 
Just a little bit of perspective. I love lifting - like squat/bench/deadlift/clean&jerk/snatch, but it seems like OCS wants lean people who are moderately strong. I used to hate it but now I just kind of roll with it. Started running 25-40 miles a week with maybe less heavy squats and my body has changed a lot. Decreased my 3 mile by 5 minutes and lost 10 lbs (although most of it muscle :().

I'm moving less weight than I was before, but my strength to bodyweight ratio is much better now. I am skinnier than I prefer to be but I think the compromise is worth it.

That being said, I'm happy the new ACFT is testing some heavy weights since it is definitely relevant.
 
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