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Trump's Executive Order To Rebuild Military

Beans

*1. Loins... GIRD
pilot
I understand that plenty. We can have a civil discussion without personal insults, can't we? Maybe you can attack my argument and not me. I will do my best to do the same. Then we can all be proud of how mature we are and set good examples for the yung'uns here. Or, we can just retreat to our bubbles and call eachother assholes from our corners. I like the first option. I'll try it and you can choose for you (I'm pro-choice about this ;) ).

So. How am I being hypocritical? Actually, I'll reword it for you. How is my argument hypocritical?
 

HokiePilot

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
And yet you never protested Obama's lack of transparency despite his unfulfilled campaign promises to have the most transparent administration ever.


Dude, what did President Obama have to do with any of this argument? Do we have to praise or vilify a previous administration before commenting on the current one?
 

HAL Pilot

Well-Known Member
None
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To answer both of you.

Liberals applied a different standard to Obama. Everything he did was automatically awesome while everything Trump does it now automatically f'ed up.

Bean's last post is another example. He talks "tolerance" while actually throwing insults. Typical liberal process.
 

Beans

*1. Loins... GIRD
pilot
To answer both of you.

Liberals applied a different standard to Obama. Everything he did was automatically awesome while everything Trump does it now automatically f'ed up.

Bean's last post is another example. He talks "tolerance" while actually throwing insults. Typical liberal process.
Well, didn't mean to throw insults, so I'm sorry I caused offense. My sarcasm mux/demux was disabled at the time - meant everything I said at face value. Happy to engage that discussion when others are ready.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
The narrative here is simple. Some people didn't get the person they wanted in office and they are not happy. Still, the people have spoken and Trump is acting true to his word. Demanding to see this or read that is an exercise in futility. You will have an option to redirect his efforts in twenty four months and then again in another twenty four. If he does poorly it will be reflected in the mid-terms (as it did for Obama). If not, he will continue to govern his way and I have no problem with that as long as his actions are constitutional. The narrative that he is unqualified is just thoughtless - he has not been in office for two weeks yet.
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
The narrative here is simple. Some people didn't get the person they wanted in office and they are not happy. Still, the people have spoken and Trump is acting true to his word. Demanding to see this or read that is an exercise in futility. You will have an option to redirect his efforts in twenty four months and then again in another twenty four. If he does poorly it will be reflected in the mid-terms (as it did for Obama). If not, he will continue to govern his way and I have no problem with that as long as his actions are constitutional. The narrative that he is unqualified is just thoughtless - he has not been in office for two weeks yet.


You mean like stating over and over and over again that the loser would have to accept the results of the election - unless they lost? And then protests in the streets, Secret Service stating they will not do their job, and this today in Foreign Policy from Rosa Brooks who was a senior advisor at State...which also discussed a military coup.

VOICE
3 Ways to Get Rid of President Trump Before 2020

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30...rump-before-2020-impeach-25th-amendment-coup/
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
You mean like stating over and over and over again that the loser would have to accept the results of the election - unless they lost?

All those millions of votes were fraudulent anyways, right?

...protests in the streets...

How is this different than any other opposition to any other President, including the last one? Tea Party ring a bell? 1st Amedment?

..Secret Service stating they will not do their job....

A single agent, a very stupid one at that, who will almost certainly be disciplined appropriately. Of course there no precedence with folks declaring they won't follow orders or follow their oaths, at all. A single bad apple doesn't ruin a whole agency, or service for that matter.

...today in Foreign Policy from Rosa Brooks who was a senior advisor at State...which also discussed a military coup.

I really don't want to defend that or her, so I am not even going to try. Using rhetoric to make a point isn't new though, just ask John Bolton what he said about the UN.
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
All those millions of votes were fraudulent anyways, right?



How is this different than any other opposition to any other President, including the last one? Tea Party ring a bell? 1st Amedment?



A single agent, a very stupid one at that, who will almost certainly be disciplined appropriately. Of course there no precedence with folks declaring they won't follow orders or follow their oaths, at all. A single bad apple doesn't ruin a whole agency, or service for that matter.



I really don't want to defend that or her, so I am not even going to try. Using rhetoric to make a point isn't new though, just ask John Bolton what he said about the UN.

I don't remember rioting after either the 2008 or 2012 election, however the Tea Party admittedly did become quite vocal, especially at town halls.

Yes she was stupid - I did not intend to denigrate the entire Secret Service.

Touche. I won't ask you to defend Brooks if you don't force me to defend The Mustache.

And somewhat off subject, the debate is appreciated rather than random and uninspired cursing that contributes nothing.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
I don't remember rioting after either the 2008 or 2012 election, however the Tea Party admittedly did become quite vocal, especially at town halls.

Sadly idiots riot for all sorts of reasons, from sports wins and losses to not being happy about politics. It would be unfair to paint all opposition to the President with a few morons, just as I won't paint all opposition to President Obama with birthers and others of that ilk.

Touché. I won't ask you to defend Brooks if you don't force me to defend The Mustache.

Sure.

And somewhat off subject, the debate is appreciated rather than random and uninspired cursing that contributes nothing.

Yes, agreed.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
You mean like stating over and over and over again that the loser would have to accept the results of the election - unless they lost? And then protests in the streets, Secret Service stating they will not do their job, and this today in Foreign Policy from Rosa Brooks who was a senior advisor at State...which also discussed a military coup.

VOICE
3 Ways to Get Rid of President Trump Before 2020

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30...rump-before-2020-impeach-25th-amendment-coup/
If you think she wants a coup as much as she wants a click then you're not as smart as I've been giving you credit for...
 
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