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Transition to FTS

Gatordev

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mdubs said:
Ok, I'm not the smartest guy, but this FTS info is super confusing. I am a YG03 P-3 Pilot.

None of the columns line up in the bottom table. Does YG 03 have 3 outs, 1 out, or unlimited?

The top table has an "X" in it for YG03, but a 0 for YG02. Does this mean YG 02 is not allowing anyone to transition to something like VR FTS? The bottom table says Unlimited out for YG 02. Seems contradictory.

I am looking at trying to transition on the FY15 Spring board. As a YG 03 guy should I expect unlimited out? And will I be able to transition into VR?
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The chart has changed a bit, so that's probably the confusion. Page one of the chart used to list actual numbers of available billets for FTS redes. Page two would show the numbers of available "outs" that PERS would allow from the REGNAV (non-letter dropped) people.

Now page one seems to have entered the binary era. Are you YG03 and looking to get into aviation? Boom, we've got room for you! However, you still have to abide by page two, which shows that REGNAV won't want to release you unless you have a certain stink on you. Basically, both sides are realizing the times have changed and needed to update they're associated requirements/limitations.

ETA: Here's the actual link to the latest and greatest, for those that aren't sure what you're talking about. http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-n...TAB A - Encl (3) Limitations Matrix_rev1.docx
 
insanebikerboy

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mdubs said:
Ok, I'm not the smartest guy, but this FTS info is super confusing. I am a YG03 P-3 Pilot.

None of the columns line up in the bottom table. Does YG 03 have 3 outs, 1 out, or unlimited?

The top table has an "X" in it for YG03, but a 0 for YG02. Does this mean YG 02 is not allowing anyone to transition to something like VR FTS? The bottom table says Unlimited out for YG 02. Seems contradictory.

I am looking at trying to transition on the FY15 Spring board. As a YG 03 guy should I expect unlimited out? And will I be able to transition into VR?
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FTS is taking folks from YG03 in aviation, none from YG02 in aviation. The x in the column means they need folks.

For your scenario, a YG03 VP pilot has one record that will be released from the active duty side. What that means is that the detailers will allow one record out that isn't otherwise eligible for release. The other ways to get the record released is to meet note a) 1 x FOS for O-4, or to have your resignation submitted.
 
insanebikerboy

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From the FTS website eligibility criteria doc "AC (1310/1320) applicants under a current AC ACCP contract must be within 12 months of the expiration of their ACCP service obligation in order to be eligible to apply. As such, applicants with an ACCP contract that expires after 21 Oct 2015 are not eligible to apply for the Fall FY 15 FTS Board, but may apply to a later FTS Board. This requirement is not waiverable"
 
NUFO06

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Where is the logic in that one? You FOS, your not making DH. Time for evac. Why does the community still want you around when your leaving in a year.
 
Gatordev

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NUFO06 said:
Where is the logic in that one? You FOS, your not making DH. Time for evac. Why does the community still want you around when your leaving in a year.
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More than likely it's because even though the chances of making it the second time are very low, technically, you might still make it. Historically, FTS will only accept folks that are within a year of their MSR. If you were that one in a million guy that picked up O4 on the second look, now you'd still be committed on the AC side because of the bonus. I'm thinking the limitation is based more on business rules than the current reality that's happening on the AC side.
 
P3 F0

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They could make things a little easier for everyone by allowing the option to relinquish the bonus or pay back a prorated unearned portion if you lump-summed it.
 
Gatordev

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P3 F0 said:
They could make things a little easier for everyone by allowing the option to relinquish the bonus or pay back a prorated unearned portion if you lump-summed it.
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I have a feeling there's little incentive to change it that much since RESFOR accession is about to become very competitve (or more competitve) again.
 
picklesuit

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Note (a) on tab 2 said no limit on outs for 1X FOS...I read that as you can go FTS if you get passed over.
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insanebikerboy

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picklesuit said:
Note (a) on tab 2 said no limit on outs for 1X FOS...I read that as you can go FTS if you get passed over.
Pickle
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Not every designator has that note, particularly 1310 VFA (05 year group), VAW/VRC, and 1320 VFA. Makes sense as those communities seem to be super short on bodies as of now.
 
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elcidcannon

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I posted this in the FTS APP thread, but I think it might be a little more relevant here.

Everything I've read up on revolves around 1310's transitioning to FTS. Anyone have details on the NFO side, specifically VP NFO's. Average numbers of applicants, acceptance, etc? Any tidbits would be welcome.
 
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Elcid, the 1320 options are pretty limited in the FTS community. As a VP 1320 guy, you'll find the only 2 viable URL options are VP and VT(P). I don't know how you'd track down avg number of applicants, but I think it's safe to assume that plenty of folks will be applying now that they've opened the floodgates so that any 1 x FOS can apply.

As far as how competitive it will be, I think it is just going to depend on how many 1327 billets are available for the board you are applying for. If you're applying on the spring board, there could be potentially be a few, or there might not be anything open at all if PERS doesn't have any 1327s rolling out of their FTS DH tour. You may just need to do a bit of digging to figure out when folks are rolling for the squadron you are looking to join. Good luck!
 
Uncle Fester

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What's the 1320 FTS billets at VT(P)? Are they taking FTS at VT-4 for the VAW/VP crew trainer or what?
 
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elcidcannon

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As far as I know, that's all that's available for VT(P).

I also think this is the first year they opened that option up for NFO's; I don't remember seeing it on last year's out-list. That also makes me think there will be several billets available.....
 
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