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Transition to FTS

FlyBoyd

Out to Pasture
pilot
Are FTS aviators basically doing non-flying staff jobs after a DH tour? The career timeline in the below link makes it seem that way.

http://www.public.navy.mil/BUPERS-NPC/OFFICER/DETAILING/FULLTIMESUPPORT/Pages/Aviators.aspx

Also, I'm assuming PCS moves are the standard after each tour or is it more likely that you're in one location for longer periods of time compared to AC?

FWIW, that is the fourth version of that chart since 2002. What is the flavor of Kool Aid this week?

As far as staying in one place goes....the board precept (http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-n...05line/Documents/FY12COREPROMOTIONPRECEPT.pdf) says..." If an officer's record contains multiple or consecutive tours in a particular geographic location, it should not be viewed negatively, provided the officer has progressed in billet complexity, professional development, and leadership responsibility."

I have seen people get promoted who moved around as well as people who stick around in the same general area/duty station. They both performed well and broke out in their jobs...YMMV.

It is possible to fly until twenty...especially in the VTs....BUT...you will have to show some level of pain at some point...see my profile.
 

HvrNavy

New Member
pilot
Let's say an AC applicant drops a resig letter, applies for FTS transfer, doesn't get into FTS, and goes into SELRES. How often will often will he/she fly in the SELRES? I can't imagine it's much if they are doing the 1 weekend/month, 2 weeks/year. How do they keep up with quals, proficiency, all that good stuff?
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
Let's say an AC applicant drops a resig letter, applies for FTS transfer, doesn't get into FTS, and goes into SELRES. How often will often will he/she fly in the SELRES? I can't imagine it's much if they are doing the 1 weekend/month, 2 weeks/year. How do they keep up with quals, proficiency, all that good stuff?
Not SELRES but I think I can answer this... You fly as much or as little as you want - to a point. OPNAV still applies, and there is NO difference between AD and Reserve flight time requirements. You have to fly 100 hours/FY, 12 hour night, 12 hours instrument. You have to maintain NATOPS/Instrument currency - so throw in the same requirements as AD to get your Instrument check done (12 Precison, 6 Non-Precision, 12 hours). That's why AFTPs (Additional Flight Training Period) exist. It's pretty much expected you're going to spend min 4 days a month at your squadron, not including your AT (2 weeks).
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Let's say an AC applicant drops a resig letter, applies for FTS transfer, doesn't get into FTS, and goes into SELRES. How often will often will he/she fly in the SELRES? I can't imagine it's much if they are doing the 1 weekend/month, 2 weeks/year. How do they keep up with quals, proficiency, all that good stuff?

Without trying to explain "pots of money," various rules, and other circumstances that ebb and flow from (fiscal) year to year, training command SELRES guys can normally fly about 100 days each year (1 weekend/month + 2 weeks/year is a recruiting tagline for the reserves but don't get too wrapped around it). Occasionally some guys struggle to make their 100hrs/yr mins and occasionally other guys get 500+ hrs/yr.

As for flying gray aircraft as a SELRES, I'll defer on that although a lot of the same stuff applies.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
Same, same for the gray aircraft. There's no way you're going to make your mins if you only do your requirements (1 weekend a month) and your entitlement (2 weeks a year). Add to that the standard rate at which gray aircraft break (as opposed to the pretty solid RFT rate for orange and white aircraft), the actual time available to fly is even less.

As for quals...it depends on where you go and how much your participate. If you go from an AC aircraft (and are coming from the cockpit and not a non-flying job), you will get most of your quals back pretty quickly. If you're going to a different series, expect it to take a little longer to get some of the quals as you gain more experience w/ the particular series and as the front office trusts you.

Phrog, how are you not a "SELRES?" Do the Marines call it something different? I'm guessing it's the same basic thing as far as Title X is concerned since you use the same type of pots of money (based on your past posts).
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
Phrog, how are you not a "SELRES?" Do the Marines call it something different? I'm guessing it's the same basic thing as far as Title X is concerned since you use the same type of pots of money (based on your past posts).
It is the same thing, we just call it SMCR - Selected Marine Corps Reserve.
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
If you don't care about making O-5, you can pretty much fly till 20. Major staff will follow a ticket punching DH tour (with few exections like a year at War College). Stay hinge, stay sane.

This is true, there are a few of us flying O-4's around down here in Kingsville. We are terminal O-4's for various reasons but one thing we have in common are many flying tours :icon_smil
 

MAKE VAPES

Uncle Pettibone
pilot
Looks like the bupers ass monkey math... for instance: 28 of 47 got picked up= 59% not 75.7%... thought you had a spreadsheet with the REAL numbers? Trend lines look odd to me as well... rolling average? Thanks for posting though.
 

FlyBoyd

Out to Pasture
pilot
Looks like the bupers ass monkey math... for instance: 28 of 47 got picked up= 59% not 75.7%... thought you had a spreadsheet with the REAL numbers? Trend lines look odd to me as well... rolling average? Thanks for posting though.

Same chart I have been posting for the last few years...just updated with the latest board. As I said in my original post I only focus on the In-Zone and Above-Zone numbers. The Total is crap as you know. Can someone show me where in statistics you are allowed to pull part of one group (AZ) and include it in second group (IZ) while only referencing the original second group total? Maybe I'll rework it for you Vapes:)
 

FlyBoyd

Out to Pasture
pilot
Here ya go. Totals have been changed to reflect the actual percentages vice the NPC fuzzy math. Charts and trend lines are accurate though.

1317 with real totals.jpg
 

bert

Enjoying the real world
pilot
Contributor
The ass monkey math makes it look like opportunity is consistent (a statutory requirement).

"Figures lie and liars figure".
 

MAKE VAPES

Uncle Pettibone
pilot
So in actuality, it is roughly twice as easy to make O-5 in the REGNAV as it is in FTS... next time a 1310 no command commander thumbs his nose at you, punch him squarely in it.

What is the 'statatory requirement'?

So where is the congressional (or like) since they haven't met the statatory requirement pretty much ever? Detailer tried to explain this BS 'math' at a conference a few years ago.. he flailed, stalled and spun off the stage.

We ain't that stooooopid.

Freshman stats fail, BUPERS fail, Leadership FAIL.
 
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