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USN The Slow Death Of The Carrier Air Wing - Or a CSAR Threadjack

Flash

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Hmmm....your argument is not that convincving. Look at the AF model with currently more UAV pilots than Fighter Pilots. Is this the Navy's future?

The Air Force will likely always control the bulk of larger UAV’s, it’s their mission. Even then as Fester pointed out, a peer or near-peer adversary would negate the advantages of almost all of our current UAV assets, they’ve had 20 years to watch and learn how we do business and devise numerous ways to counter them. Those who have come to expect pervasive ISR will be in for a rude shock if we do fight someone who can actually utilize modern air defense weapons instead of randomly firing them off into the sky.
 

wlawr005

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pilot
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Well, actual people with thumbs still fuck up the tanker role so until this thing actually deploys and successfully completes this mission which it has yet to even practice, I'd say we're a long way away from getting rid of pilots.
 

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
Would be nice to see a Navy produced version of something like this - crews in camo gear, no stupid white tape on our helmets, etc...

HSC and HSM bubbas - get your sad PAO's to work!

 

Pags

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pilot
Would be nice to see a Navy produced version of something like this - crews in camo gear, no stupid white tape on our helmets, etc...

HSC and HSM bubbas - get your sad PAO's to work!

Chuck, google more broadly! And why the weird fascination with "operator optics?"

 

Brett327

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Yeah, that kind of gear (and HOORAH attitude) will be critical to the effectiveness of our RW community's in performing the ASW, VERTREP and plane guard missions. Leverage the inherent power and respect of the PAO community in driving tactics and acquisition strategies!
 

Pags

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pilot

Here's the HSM bubbas doing their thing. There's a nice bit in the middle that shows demos of SUW and ASW capabilities. Some good shots of AGM-114s, APKWS, GAUs for SUW and shots of ALFS, bouys, and torps for ASW.

Not sure why you'd need camo over water (in fact we've spent plenty of time disparaging the NWU camo, but I get it, everyone wants to looks an operator with some IR tabs, a beard, and multicam, it's what the cools kids are wearing)...white retroreflective tape seems pretty appropriate when you're most likely to end up down in the water and the tape will aid your recovery. Maybe someone can get Chuck a copy of a SAR TACAID so he can do the math for himself...
 

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
The SAR TACAID was the bomb - if memory serves it had a great table to program Marine/Ship-to-Ship frequencies in the AN/ARC-182 radio.
 

IKE

Nerd Whirler
pilot
The SAR TACAID was the bomb - if memory serves it had a great table to program Marine/Ship-to-Ship frequencies in the AN/ARC-182 radio.
Except for the time-distance table with basic arithmetic errors that lasted for over a decade ('97 edition), or the non-standard Morse code that also stuck around a while.

The ARC-210 has all the maritime freqs, including shipping/shore modes preprogrammed.
 

Gatordev

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The ARC-210 has all the maritime freqs, including shipping/shore modes preprogrammed.

Maybe it was just me, but with those stupid pop-up windows, I always found it easier to just hit TUNE and then 156.8 then playing with the menus. But it sure was nice when needing to find channel 69...or whatever.
 

Brett327

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Maybe it was just me, but with those stupid pop-up windows, I always found it easier to just hit TUNE and then 156.8 then playing with the menus. But it sure was nice when needing to find channel 69...or whatever.
Interesting. The way it's meched in a Rhino is as a preset you can spin your channel knob to.
 

IKE

Nerd Whirler
pilot
Maybe it was just me, but with those stupid pop-up windows, I always found it easier to just hit TUNE and then 156.8 then playing with the menus. But it sure was nice when needing to find channel 69...or whatever.
Interesting. The way it's meched in a Rhino is as a preset you can spin your channel knob to.
In the glorious HH-60H, the Flying Spaghetti Monster's gift to Naval Rotary Aviation, one had only to type 3xx [ENTER] to get maritime CHAN xx. HQ was 1xx, SINCGARS was 2xx, and LOS/SATCOM channels had no prefix. The separate modes were invisible to the operator.

Lockheed Martin's human factors/software people f'ed it away once again in the 60R/S, making it harder to do anything via the glass cockpit and not providing standard MFR features, like SCAN and in-flight UHF DAMA settings. So lame.

Our aircraft is the paragon of over-integrated -- almost like the LM Senior Systems Engineer's goal was to ensure LM profit for decades to come...
 
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