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Private pilot license with military hours?

#1
Any good gouge out there for picking up a private pilot cert with military hours? I'm a STUD fresh out of primary and just curious if I can do that easily at this point so I can play in the sky with my free time. Thanks in advance for any help.
 

Ducky

Formerly SNA2007
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#2
The Military Comp Test is the way to go. Your military hours will not get you anything at this point without wings or a PPL. Upon graduation of Military Pilot Training you can take the Military Comp Test and you will be given your PPL Instrument and Commercial Ratings without having to take an FAA checkride/practical test. I just took the test today, but have to wait on the official winging to turn in my paperwork to the FAA.

Im not sure what your current T-34 hours would get you right now. Try talking to a CFI. I know that for the mil comp you need 10 hrs solo in the last 12 months in your last training aircraft which is the T-45 for me.

3 ratings for $150 bucks. You can't beat that drug deal.
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
#3
The T-34 certainly would qualify for high performance, complex, single engine turbine time, however I don't know if they would consider your training hours since they don't fall under civil/FAR part 61 or 141. Second that you should ask a more senior CFI who knows the ins and outs of the business, and see what they say (in terms of whether you could use those hours towards a PPL). That said, there isn't a whole lot to rent around here in terms of private aircraft, unless you enjoy C152's (there's like one at key field)
 

FlyinRock

Registered User
#4
The Military Comp Test is the way to go. Your military hours will not get you anything at this point without wings or a PPL. Upon graduation of Military Pilot Training you can take the Military Comp Test and you will be given your PPL Instrument and Commercial Ratings without having to take an FAA checkride/practical test. I just took the test today, but have to wait on the official winging to turn in my paperwork to the FAA.

Im not sure what your current T-34 hours would get you right now. Try talking to a CFI. I know that for the mil comp you need 10 hrs solo in the last 12 months in your last training aircraft which is the T-45 for me.

3 ratings for $150 bucks. You can't beat that drug deal.
Will
The hours required for the civil side require them to be logged in civil registered A/C. Once you get winged you can take the milcomp, present your flight orders and get the licenses'
Any update for 2Oct? I'm planning to be there my man.
Rocky
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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#5
You can't use just the primary hours for a private license. Wait till you're winged and you'll get pretty much everything. Search for Mil Comp.
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
#7
Though I understand the boredom that is Meridian, MS, once you class up you won't have nearly as much time off as you think you will. Maybe on the weekends, but honestly you will probably want to do anything other than rent a cessna and deal with the local ATC on your off days. Just sayin...
 

FlyingOnFumes

Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
#8
Upon graduation of Military Pilot Training you can take the Military Comp Test and you will be given your PPL Instrument and Commercial Ratings without having to take an FAA checkride/practical test.
Point of clarification: you will be given a COMMERCIAL pilot certificate, and NOT a Private Pilot certificate (i.e. "PPL"), with Instrument Rating (and Single/Multi-Engine Land or Rotorcraft as appropriate) upon graduation since you are being trained to "fly for hire" as well as probably exceed the maneuvers required for both a private or commercial by virtue of your Naval Air training.

Any good gouge out there for picking up a private pilot cert with military hours? I'm a STUD fresh out of primary and just curious if I can do that easily at this point so I can play in the sky with my free time. Thanks in advance for any help.
Possible loophole: one thing you could try doing, (if you're only interested in going up by yourself) is getting a CFI to endorse you for solo as a STUDENT pilot in whatever airplane you want to fly and get whatever other endorsements required (Night, X/C, Class B, High Performance, Complex, etc...). It will have to be renewed every 90-days, but could be a cheaper way to go if you just wanted to go up by yourself and not carry any PAX.
 

ryan1234

Active Member
#9
From the civilian side of the house... I'm pretty sure (don't quote me) the Mil Comp is for completing a military flight training course (ie rated).. I don't think the FAA has any provisions for any in-between stuff... there are only two specific FARs for any military training MCA (or MCH)/ and MCI - both only address Commercial Certificates or Instructor, respectively. The only hours, I guess, you could legally use towards an FAA Private Certificate would be the IFS.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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Contributor
#10
Possible loophole: one thing you could try doing, (if you're only interested in going up by yourself) is getting a CFI to endorse you for solo as a STUDENT pilot in whatever airplane you want to fly and get whatever other endorsements required (Night, X/C, Class B, High Performance, Complex, etc...). It will have to be renewed every 90-days, but could be a cheaper way to go if you just wanted to go up by yourself and not carry any PAX.
I would question that loophole since you have to have a requisite number of hours (as determined by the instructor) in model to get the endorsement. That means a stud training in a Piper can't solo a Cessna, etc.

Also, if you don't have any prior certificates (PPL, etc) then you can't use those hours from primary for any certs until you get winged, then you're allowed to take the mil comp. You can legally apply the hours from IFS towards a PPL, if you wanted to go that route.

That said, I'm sure there's ways to get the drug deal done to have a CFI sign you off, although I would think he would be risking his ticket if he did.
 

ryan1234

Active Member
#11
I would question that loophole since you have to have a requisite number of hours (as determined by the instructor) in model to get the endorsement. That means a stud training in a Piper can't solo a Cessna, etc.

Also, if you don't have any prior certificates (PPL, etc) then you can't use those hours from primary for any certs until you get winged, then you're allowed to take the mil comp. You can legally apply the hours from IFS towards a PPL, if you wanted to go that route.

That said, I'm sure there's ways to get the drug deal done to have a CFI sign you off, although I would think he would be risking his ticket if he did.
If he flew a 172"S" (and I mean the specific model - the FAA will be asking questions if anything goes wrong) during IFS... did a "pre-solo knowledge test"... and in a couple flights proved he wouldn't kill himself or bend the airplane - I'd sign him off for a solo in a 172 "S" - and it would only be a local. The regs are pretty clear about not giving an endorsement for not having the specific training (xc,etc). The question remains... why would you want to jump through all of these hoops for a solo in a 172, when you get to fly a high performance aircraft with top-notch instruction for free?
 

Ducky

Formerly SNA2007
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#12
I just took a Mil Comp prep class and test. Here is what it gets you upon graduation for fixed wing dudes: Single Engine Land Airplane, Airplane Instrument Rating, and Commercial Pilot Rating.

Helo guys can back this up but Im pretty sure on the helo side you get the following: Single Engine Airplane, Helicopter Instrument Rating, and Commercial Pilot Rating. I've been told by a few helo guys that they do not get the fixed wing IFR rating.
 

BACONATOR

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#13
I just took a Mil Comp prep class and test. Here is what it gets you upon graduation for fixed wing dudes: Single Engine Land Airplane, Airplane Instrument Rating, and Commercial Pilot Rating.

Helo guys can back this up but Im pretty sure on the helo side you get the following: Single Engine Airplane, Helicopter Instrument Rating, and Commercial Pilot Rating. I've been told by a few helo guys that they do not get the fixed wing IFR rating.
This is true and KEY. This is a recent FAR change. Most IPs in the HTs got their instrument airplane but we do not, as of like a year ago.

We get Commercial airplane and Commercial helicopter, and helicopter instrument. However, to get airplane instrument would probably require little more than paying for the checkride itself in a cessna.
 

FlyingOnFumes

Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
#14
I would question that loophole since you have to have a requisite number of hours (as determined by the instructor) in model to get the endorsement. That means a stud training in a Piper can't solo a Cessna, etc.

Also, if you don't have any prior certificates (PPL, etc) then you can't use those hours from primary for any certs until you get winged, then you're allowed to take the mil comp. You can legally apply the hours from IFS towards a PPL, if you wanted to go that route.

That said, I'm sure there's ways to get the drug deal done to have a CFI sign you off, although I would think he would be risking his ticket if he did.
Well what I meant was: this would be a cheaper way to go rather than doing the minimum 40 (minus whatever was done in IFS) required for a private pilot. There is no minimum for solo in the regs, it is purely up to instructors discretion under Part 61 as far as I know.... so someone coming from solo T-34C time.... I'd imagine in what basically amounts to a "check out" (which he'd have to do anyway if he already had his Private Pilot or Commerical Pilot cert) he could get endorsed for solo in just a few hours or less (as opposed to getting to 40 (minus IFS time) from scratch ) if all he wanted to do was fly solo and not carry PAX.
 

ryan1234

Active Member
#15
This is true and KEY. This is a recent FAR change. Most IPs in the HTs got their instrument airplane but we do not, as of like a year ago.

We get Commercial airplane and Commercial helicopter, and helicopter instrument. However, to get airplane instrument would probably require little more than paying for
the checkride itself in a cessna.
I think to get the Inst. Airplane if you already have Inst. Helo you would need 15hrs instrument fixed wing time, take the oral/practical tests but no written test. There are some additional FW reqs but if you have a C-ASEL/MEL I suspect you've probably already gotten those.
 
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