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New TRACOM/FRS IP training video

Tycho_Brohe

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What are we defining as the cutoff for "millenials" then? ...The COTAC on my crew (an ENS) was born in 1990 which is weird, but overall I'm not that old.

I was born in '90 and am wondering the same thing. Personally I didn't identify with any of the millenial mannerisms in the video, except for occasionally being guilty of that whole "mysterious dead zone between 4:30 and whenever they show up for work 40 minutes late with an iced coffee."
 

Renegade One

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You have an interesting stereotype for immigrants. In my small sample size, I saw the same distribution of hard working, intelligent 1st generation Americans as anyone else. Most 1st generation Chinese hung out with gangs in Flushing on the weekends and got the same Cs to skate by as most white kids. You think being beaten with hangars for mundane stuff children do to the point where you have scars is good to a child's psychogical health? Most first gen Indians were also wannabe gangbangers with the few exceptions, and one I knew (who was an honors student due to a natural ability to memorize stuff) ended up getting shot in the head because he and his 20 cousins went looking for trouble in Philly and found it.

Immigrants do work hard to "make it" and have a better calibration on how good we have it in America, but they aren't any better at raising their kids than your American born generation.
Your "broad brush" seems to be much broader than mine. Fine.
 

CommodoreMid

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Not sure if it's a generational thing or not, but I think it's a "new guy" issue overall, and likely the same in the civilian world too. You graduate college, thinking you're ready to conquer the world, but in reality you have to start at the bottom. No matter where you are it's hard and it takes getting used to the idea that no one but you cares about your hopes and dreams at the end of the day and that all they care about is what you can do for the organization. Fortunately, in naval aviation, it's perfectly acceptable to yell "SHUT THE FUCK UP NEW GUY." Solves most problems.
 

Spekkio

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I think if we reference the case of Duke v Duke (c. 1983), you'll plainly see nurture trumps nature. Newsflash: all cultures have their upstanding citizens as well as their assholes.

I agree, and I even said that in my post you quoted. For every honors student, you could find 3-5 who were getting Bs in the baseline regents classes. It's a normal distribution. I wasn't the one pointing at Chinese and Indian immigrants as model citizens and parents who value education more than dumb 'muricans who apparently spoiled my generation rotten.

What are we defining as the cutoff for "millenials" then?
Personally, I put it as born 1990 or later (hence going through puberty in the new millenium), but there are people who believe it goes back as far as 1982. It seems like lumping everyone born from 1982-2000 is a wide net, though.
wikipedia gen x article said:
In a 2012 article for the Joint Center for Housing Studies of Harvard University, George Masnick wrote that the "Census counted 82.1 million" Gen Xers in the U.S. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X so that Boomers, Xers and Millennials "cover equal 20-year age spans".[15]
 

xj220

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I think it works. It's a wide net but we're talking generations here and there are going to be transition periods. Those of us born in the early to mid 80s maybe aren't the typical "millenial," however we did grow up at the beginning of the internet age and that's a significant event.
 

Spekkio

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however we did grow up at the beginning of the internet age and that's a significant event.
Ehhh...I was born in '83 and had a computer in middle school only because my grandmother did IT for OTB. She would get us an older tower when they were being replaced instead of trashing them. Most people didn't get a PC until high school if they got one at all, and broadband wasn't available in my area until I was 16-17. Before that there was dial up AOL which tied up your phone line, so it wasn't used very often (it was also pay-per-minute in the early days). I wouldn't call that 'growing up with the beginning of the internet age' the same way that kids (guys now?) born in the 90s were used to having always-on broadband connections from 10-12 years old.

I noticed the biggest explosion of internet use my freshman year in college because the university had just installed broadband the year before I got there. It was painfully slow thanks to mass downloading of music.

Then there's cell phones, which is another significant culture shift...I got my first at 20. Those born in the 90s had smartphones in high school whereas cell phone plans were unaffordable when I went to high school.

I really don't care about the label, but my brother and I's middle/high school experience was significantly different culturally than my sisters' in those regards (and several others).
 

HueyCobra8151

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Or really, pretty much any of these apply.

I do find it interesting that most of the current crop of kids all want to go to college...but they don't want a "hard" major, so they pick something stupid that lets them go have fun. Then they graduate and are over-qualified to do anything blue collar, and under-educated to do anything else. I guess someone's gotta work the local Starbucks to pay off their crippling student loans...

(FWIW I learned to type on a typewriter and used to dial-up local BBS's on a 2800 baud modem before the internet was a normal thing. It's kind of cool being born in the early 80's and seeing how rapidly all this technology has taken off, thanks Al Gore!)
 

robav8r

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Or it could be that your generation has essentially raped and pillaged this country . . . .

R1's editorial comments aside, you seem to imply that "his" generation of service and sacrifice somehow mean less and are "worth" less than subsequent generations who are "picking up the pieces" and trying to fix all the missteps of the Boomers. And yes, I agree with your later post about every generation having their share of assholes . . . . .
 

squeeze

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R1's editorial comments aside, you seem to imply that "his" generation of service and sacrifice somehow mean less and are "worth" less than subsequent generations who are "picking up the pieces" and trying to fix all the missteps of the Boomers. And yes, I agree with your later post about every generation having their share of assholes . . . . .

I never once addressed "service and sacrifice" nor implied anything to that effect. I was making a broad generalization about socio-economic trends that were advanced by the millions of people born between about 1944 and 1964.

I'm not going to single them out for a pat on the back for serving their country or whatever (sounds kinda like the millenials video), nor am I trying to belittle that service. You joined the military? So did the rest of us here.

I honestly have no idea how you read that into my post.
 

Gatordev

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What are we defining as the cutoff for "millenials" then? I'm only 26 and a couple months out from finishing my JO tour and always figured I'm in that group. The COTAC on my crew (an ENS) was born in 1990 which is weird, but overall I'm not that old.

Consulting the all-knowing Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y

It says Gen Y "Millenials" are as early as the early 80s and into the early 2000s.

I've always gone off what the 'pedia says (though I didn't realize Gen X went as late as '83). Like xj said, it's a wide swath since we're talking generations. While I say I'm not responsible for Gen Y (because I didn't spawn them), I would say that if there's one thing Gen X should be taken to the world court about, it's how they raised Millenials.


Not sure if it's a generational thing or not, but I think it's a "new guy" issue overall, and likely the same in the civilian world too. You graduate college, thinking you're ready to conquer the world, but in reality you have to start at the bottom. No matter where you are it's hard and it takes getting used to the idea that no one but you cares about your hopes and dreams at the end of the day and that all they care about is what you can do for the organization. Fortunately, in naval aviation, it's perfectly acceptable to yell "SHUT THE FUCK UP NEW GUY." Solves most problems.

In the fleet, yeah. Sometimes (and it seems to happen in waves) in the pipeline, you find those that need the extra coddling...especially lately, it seems...at least in my little universe.
 
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