Again, what I mentioned was strictly Supply. I would talk to a pilot about there shore duties and educational options.
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NPS shore tour, or Naval War College resident program if you're senior... NPS offers an EMBA that is one day a week via VTC and NWC offers a fleet seminar program at major concentration points to get JPME-1 and a Masters in National Security Studies. Also the Navy offers a graduate education voucher (like $20k/ yr x2) for you to attend a school on your shore tour and you earn a subspecialty code. There are also some fellowship program and Olmsted Scholar opportunities. I'm probably missing some but a lot of people I know are working on their followon education during their shore tour, even if they're just getting a masters by paying out of their own pocket.
Ugh.
The only problem with that is that my performance for that tour would be "not observed," which can hurt me when it's time to screen for O-4. Unless you mean doing a distance learning program with NPS/NWC while doing something else like FRS/VT instructor for the shore tour? Would that be an option?
Yeah I meant NPS more than NWC. Specifically I'm thinking about when would be the best time to turn my current business minor into an MBA. That's what I meant when I said going to NPS for the first shore tour isn't ideal, since pilots should be doing something observable during that time in preparation for the promotion boards, which usually happen sometime after that first shore tour. Since the master's degree is required to be promoted beyond a certain point, should I be trying to get the MBA during flight training with some sort of distance learning program or night classes?
You do realize a masters isn't a requirement for O-4, and you will have plenty of time once you are actually a LCDR?
Well actually no, I didn't realize that. Then which part is the master's degree required for? O-5?
BzB
On another thread, your all hopped up about getting a (money pit) expensive boat in flight training, and you have OCS to 'conquer' still. Point being, you have the foothills to concentrate on (OCS/flt-trng/wings}, before preparing for the mountains (promotions/duty stations/special schools/advanced degrees, etc.). As they say, one step at a time. Your writing seems to indicate that all the things you have to overcome & accomplish on the looong road to O-4/5 and beyond, are in the bag... they're not, and it's not easy at any step along the way, JMHO.
BzB
Geez Pat, all this talk about setting up for O-4 screening, requirements for O-5 promotion, advanced schools/degrees etc. Correct me if I'm wrong... are you finished undergrad yet... are you commissioned yet, you have OCS & flight training to go... are you not getting too far ahead of yourself?
On another thread, your all hopped up about getting a (money pit) expensive boat in flight training, and you have OCS to 'conquer' still. Point being, you have the foothills to concentrate on (OCS/flt-trng/wings}, before preparing for the mountains (promotions/duty stations/special schools/advanced degrees, etc.). As they say, one step at a time. Your writing seems to indicate that all the things you have to overcome & accomplish on the looong road to O-4/5 and beyond, are in the bag... they're not, and it's not easy at any step along the way, JMHO.
BzB
Fair enough. I did finish my degree recently, and now I'm waiting for my OCS date, so I guess I just have a lot of free time to think about the future and everything. But you're right, I might be putting the cart before the horse a little bitBzB
Geez Pat, all this talk about setting up for O-4 screening, requirements for O-5 promotion, advanced schools/degrees etc. Correct me if I'm wrong... are you finished undergrad yet... are you commissioned yet, you have OCS & flight training to go... are you not getting too far ahead of yourself?
On another thread, your all hopped up about getting a (money pit) expensive boat in flight training, and you have OCS to 'conquer' still. Point being, you have the foothills to concentrate on (OCS/flt-trng/wings}, before preparing for the mountains (promotions/duty stations/special schools/advanced degrees, etc.). As they say, one step at a time. Your writing seems to indicate that all the things you have to overcome & accomplish on the looong road to O-4/5 and beyond, are in the bag... they're not, and it's not easy at any step along the way, JMHO.
BzB
I call bullshit. Most of the lessons learned briefs aren't on the NPC website anymore, but from the LL briefs I do have:
FY 07 ACSB: 59.6% of those selected for CDR Command had a masters. Of all eligible for the board, 43.7% had a masters.
FY 08 ACSB: 67.4% of those selected for CDR Command had a masters. Of all eligible for the board, 50.7% had a masters.
FY 09 ACSB: 66.9% of those selected for CDR Command had a masters. Of all eligible for the board, 55.9% had a masters.
FY 12 ACSB: 58.3% of those selected for CMD (with a #1 DH Ticket) had a masters. 61.6% of with a #1 DH Ticket and NOT selected for Command had a masters.
FY 13 AMCSB: of 34 selected, 84% had a masters, at least 16% of those selected for Major Command did not have a masters.
FY 14 AMCSB: of 39 selected, 90% had a masters, at least 10% of those selected for Major Command did not have a masters.
Statistics like you see in these screen board lessons learned just aren't available for statutory promotion boards. However, you can assume that every one of the selects for CDR Command were successfully selected for O-5 (O-6 for the Major Command selects). I would not say the odds of being selected for O-5 are abysmal. I would venture that ~60% of those selected for O-5 have a masters, 40% of those don't. I've attached snippets from each lessons learned brief that I used to source the #'s.
Tracking.....I didn't specify that I was referring to the recent Supply LL, where we selected low single digits without a masters.
Bottomline, pat_ryan is looking at roughly a FY28 CDR screening before he has even completed OCS. God knows what that board will look like, let alone the Navy.
Yes, there are guys I know in the VTs and HTs who are in both programs. NPS has an EMBA which meets one day a week via VTC. NWC has its fleet seminar program where Classes are one night a week for 3 hours from Sept until May. 3 of those courses get you JPME-1 and if you enroll in the Masters program make up the 3 core classes for that- all you have to do is take 9 credits worth of electives in an approved sub-speciality to get a Masters in National Security Studies.