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March 2017 IWC OCS Board Thread

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
Message to all:

The Navy's board process for intelligence officer is completely fixed. If you are not a current or former sailor, or child of privilege, you need not even consider applying. You would be more likely to win the Powerball.The intelligence board is all about who you know, not how capable or qualified you might be. In short, intelligence officer appointments are little more than sinecures for children who hail from politically-connected, privileged families.

Some of my stats:

--DLI honor graduate in Japanese, according to the State Department, the MOST CHALLENGING language that the American government teaches its language professionals.
*Before anyone begins baselessly saying such inane things as "Japanese isn't important," please reference the strategic language lists for the CIA, State Department and DOD! Just because few enlisted chaps are trained in the language (most are suited government agents or FAO/intel officers of the four branches), it doesn't mean it isn't a strategic language or "important." I was hired by Blackwater for 115K per year to work on a sensitive contract for MDA right out of DLI. I was also offered a job at the Defense Intelligence Agency that I declined last year, given that my ambition was to become a naval officer.

--Japanese DLPT V: 2+/3 Yes, I actually have official certification proving my proficiency; I didn't simply claim to have mastered/"picked up" Arabic in a year whilst vacationing on mommy and daddy's money in Madrid, Spain! (Check out Jill Gentry's insufferably entitled and absurd comments from the December 2016 IWC Board. She was selected, by the way, with a 3.6 in political science out of a state college w/ no prior service or special skills to speak of. . . No, Spanish is not what intel needs, you silver-spooned twit. LOL It is a peasant's language that anyone with half a brain cell can learn, especially at the ridiculously basic collegiate level (College language programs are pathetic, and I speak from experience, having studied at both Middlebury College and a highly respected Jesuit college in Japan (Most of my classmates hailed from Princeton, Georgetown, Middlebury, Carnegie Mellon, and Columbia. I was, far and a way, the best student in attendance at both programs. Thank you, DLI!). It is a Cat. I language at the DLI; it is also, incidentally, the language that is occasionally offered to the DLI's FAILURES when they can't hack their assigned Cat. IV language programs! Cat. IV and Cat. III languages are what intel wants! Sh$%! DLI students often make fun of Spanish students for the aforementioned reasons.) If you are not a Green Beret fighting drug lords in S. America, a border patrol agent, social worker, or aspiring drug smuggler, it is practically worthless.

--AA degree in Japanese from the Defense Language Institute

--BA degree in international business, political science and international studies from a REAL and respected liberal arts college, magna cum laude (GPA: 3.8). Thank you, GI Bill!

--DINFOS-trained print journalist and public affairs specialist

--Former Marine and USANG sergeant (I did my time, I am a proven asset, and I served with distinction.)

--ACTIVE TS/SCI clearance

--OAR: 51 (I asked my OR if I should retake it in order to attain a higher score, and I was flatly told that there was absolutely no necessity to do so.)

Since starting this process, I have observed so many people get selected for Navy intel officer slots with online degrees--yes, online "degrees"--and nothing especially noteworthy or remarkable about their applications, save for their landed gentry backgrounds, that it has completely shattered my faith in the system. At least as it concerns the Navy's intel slots, the game is completely rigged, rigged, rigged. The selections are not remotely based upon merit; they are political and class/influence-based, period. Sheesh, a friggin' Marine Corps Reserve supply Marine (Yes, supply!) was selected on the December board. You cannot make this stuff up! Folks, it is true: People of Jill Gentry's ilk are what Naval Intelligence wants. It is completely who you know. Welcome to oligarchy/plutocracy, folks. Damn all who defend a patently un-American and feudalistic system such as this! U.S. Navy, you wasted a year of my sincere time and energy! More than that, you diminished my respect for your branch of service. I am now glad that I will not be serving in the Navy. How insufferable it would have had been working side by side a bunch of entitled blue-bloods who were handed their appointments based solely upon who they knew/what their lineage was. I pity the enlisted who will be cursed with the misfortune of serving under your authority. It is not difficult to conceive of how Jill Gentry-like people will treat their lowly enlisted subordinates. What a pity! Three cheers for feudalism! NRD, you should be ashamed of yourselves for misleading so many sincere and patriotic American intel candidates.

To those worthy two to three genuine American aspirants who happen to win the Powerball on these boards (in other words, those who are not politically extended their appointments by virtue of connections), I heartily congratulate you. Upon earning your commissions and acquiring sufficient rank, I entreat you to fix this broken system for posterity!


ORs: Do not waste peoples' lives and build up their hopes to simply fulfill your quotas! Such behavior is at once unethical and wrong and does no credit to our naval service.

Cheers!

well, my NRD had several people selected for Intel over several years, they all had a few things in common high GPA and tech degrees or at least taken calc and physics, none had family in key positions, in fact one was the first person to go to college in their family as their family was not well off.

A few important things to note, foreign language doesn't matter for Intel, officers don't need it, none of the Intel officers I worked with ever had a circumstance in which they would have used it, they also couldn't think of any of their colleagues that were in a circumstance to use it. The college doesn't matter, none of ours came from high profile colleges, I am sure some do but what is important is they have done well.

The key things we have always said is high GPA and tech degree, and a masters doesn't hurt, yes Intel picks several with non tech degrees but the numbers for someone without a tech degree are not in the applicants favor, at one board several years ago they had hundreds of applications for 10 spots.

I get the feeling having read your post you really don't know what USN Intel officers do, which is basically analyze and brief those on what they have analyzed.
 

GlassBanger

IntelO
Contributor
Just wow....

Man, you can be upset all you want at not being chosen, but to specifically name someone you presume to know all about on a forum as an example of someone you perceive to be lower than you to prove a point is incredibly bad judgment. I've never seen a temper tantrum quite like that before.
 

Eonami

CTI1(IW)
Agreed, LadyAsh.

I was selected for Intel on the Dec 2016 board, with only one letter of recommendation (that was not from a Naval Officer, btw). My selection was based entirely on my own merit and hard work. Gogakuhei, your poor attitude and shameless attacks on others who succeed where you don't, coupled with your clear lack of understanding of the system and the job for which you applied, make you out to be a person none of us would want to serve with. It's fine to be upset, but at least maintain some degree of professionalism.

Go ahead and burn your bridges, the Navy is obviously not the place for you.
 

Lui

OCS Applicant
I think your to good for the Navy. In fact, you might be to good for America. I heard French wasn't a "peasant language". Maybe you should bless them with your awesomeness instead of us.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
Message to all:

The Navy's board process for intelligence officer is completely fixed. If you are not a current or former sailor, or child of privilege, you need not even consider applying. You would be more likely to win the Powerball.The intelligence board is all about who you know, not how capable or qualified you might be. In short, intelligence officer appointments are little more than sinecures for children who hail from politically-connected, privileged families.

Some of my stats:

--DLI honor graduate in Japanese, according to the State Department, the MOST CHALLENGING language that the American government teaches its language professionals.
*Before anyone begins baselessly saying such inane things as "Japanese isn't important," please reference the strategic language lists for the CIA, State Department and DOD! Just because few enlisted chaps are trained in the language (most are suited government agents or FAO/intel officers of the four branches), it doesn't mean it isn't a strategic language or "important." I was hired by Blackwater for 115K per year to work on a sensitive contract for MDA right out of DLI. I was also offered a job at the Defense Intelligence Agency that I declined last year, given that my ambition was to become a naval officer.

--Japanese DLPT V: 2+/3 Yes, I actually have official certification proving my proficiency; I didn't simply claim to have mastered/"picked up" Arabic in a year whilst vacationing on mommy and daddy's money in Madrid, Spain! (Check out Jill Gentry's insufferably entitled and absurd comments from the December 2016 IWC Board. She was selected, by the way, with a 3.6 in political science out of a state college w/ no prior service or special skills to speak of. . . No, Spanish is not what intel needs, you silver-spooned twit. LOL It is a peasant's language that anyone with half a brain cell can learn, especially at the ridiculously basic collegiate level (College language programs are pathetic, and I speak from experience, having studied at both Middlebury College and a highly respected Jesuit college in Japan (Most of my classmates hailed from Princeton, Georgetown, Middlebury, Carnegie Mellon, and Columbia. I was, far and a way, the best student in attendance at both programs. Thank you, DLI!). It is a Cat. I language at the DLI; it is also, incidentally, the language that is occasionally offered to the DLI's FAILURES when they can't hack their assigned Cat. IV language programs! Cat. IV and Cat. III languages are what intel wants! Sh$%! DLI students often make fun of Spanish students for the aforementioned reasons.) If you are not a Green Beret fighting drug lords in S. America, a border patrol agent, social worker, or aspiring drug smuggler, it is practically worthless.

--AA degree in Japanese from the Defense Language Institute

--BA degree in international business, political science and international studies from a REAL and respected liberal arts college, magna cum laude (GPA: 3.8). Thank you, GI Bill!

--DINFOS-trained print journalist and public affairs specialist

--Former Marine and USANG sergeant (I did my time, I am a proven asset, and I served with distinction.)

--ACTIVE TS/SCI clearance

--OAR: 51 (I asked my OR if I should retake it in order to attain a higher score, and I was flatly told that there was absolutely no necessity to do so.)

Since starting this process, I have observed so many people get selected for Navy intel officer slots with online degrees--yes, online "degrees"--and nothing especially noteworthy or remarkable about their applications, save for their landed gentry backgrounds, that it has completely shattered my faith in the system. At least as it concerns the Navy's intel slots, the game is completely rigged, rigged, rigged. The selections are not remotely based upon merit; they are political and class/influence-based, period. Sheesh, a friggin' Marine Corps Reserve supply Marine (Yes, supply!) was selected on the December board. You cannot make this stuff up! Folks, it is true: People of Jill Gentry's ilk are what Naval Intelligence wants. It is completely who you know. Welcome to oligarchy/plutocracy, folks. Damn all who defend a patently un-American and feudalistic system such as this! U.S. Navy, you wasted a year of my sincere time and energy! More than that, you diminished my respect for your branch of service. I am now glad that I will not be serving in the Navy. How insufferable it would have had been working side by side a bunch of entitled blue-bloods who were handed their appointments based solely upon who they knew/what their lineage was. I pity the enlisted who will be cursed with the misfortune of serving under your authority. It is not difficult to conceive of how Jill Gentry-like people will treat their lowly enlisted subordinates. What a pity! Three cheers for feudalism! NRD, you should be ashamed of yourselves for misleading so many sincere and patriotic American intel candidates.

To those worthy two to three genuine American aspirants who happen to win the Powerball on these boards (in other words, those who are not politically extended their appointments by virtue of connections), I heartily congratulate you. Upon earning your commissions and acquiring sufficient rank, I entreat you to fix this broken system for posterity!


ORs: Do not waste peoples' lives and build up their hopes to simply fulfill your quotas! Such behavior is at once unethical and wrong and does no credit to our naval service.

Cheers!

Or maybe it's the fact Jill had a more impressive resume than you and did a much better job explaining to the boards why she should be the Navy's newest Naval Officer.

Long story short: You simply don't get it.
 

meduses

Member
Just wow....

Man, you can be upset all you want at not being chosen, but to specifically name someone you presume to know all about on a forum as an example of someone you perceive to be lower than you to prove a point is incredibly bad judgment. I've never seen a temper tantrum quite like that before.

Especially somebody who cannot defend themselves because they are currently at OCS
 

Sar12

Member
Agreed, LadyAsh.

I was selected for Intel on the Dec 2016 board, with only one letter of recommendation (that was not from a Naval Officer, btw). My selection was based entirely on my own merit and hard work. Gogakuhei, your poor attitude and shameless attacks on others who succeed where you don't, coupled with your clear lack of understanding of the system and the job for which you applied, make you out to be a person none of us would want to serve with. It's fine to be upset, but at least maintain some degree of professionalism.

I'm glad we were selected at the same board. I just wanted to add that I don't think applicants are emphasizing the OAR enough. I keep seeing all these people who have (or say they have) amazing backgrounds but don't produce a matching OAR score. The OAR is the only item on the application that they can use to directly compare you with other applicants. The one trend which seems specifically strong with those selected by this board is the OAR.
 

GlassBanger

IntelO
Contributor
Especially somebody who cannot defend themselves because they are currently at OCS

Zing!

I'm glad we were selected at the same board. I just wanted to add that I don't think applicants are emphasizing the OAR enough. I keep seeing all these people who have (or say they have) amazing backgrounds but don't produce a matching OAR score. The OAR is the only item on the application that they can use to directly compare you with other applicants. The one trend which seems specifically strong with those selected by this board is the OAR.

I also think it probably has a great deal to do with the "whole person" concept. To start, language skills mean zip to Intel (see O.R. commentary). I think what he is misunderstanding is the Hollywood portrayal of "intelligence" personnel in the military versus the reality (NavyOffRec helped set this misconception straight for me too, via PM when I started here on AW). He probably wanted Cryptology or something similar. In addition, back to the "whole person" concept, his motivational statement likely made it abundantly clear that he thought he was a god among men, pole-vaulting over the line between explaining what you can do for the Navy and stroking your own ego to epidemic proportions. I'm sorry, but I'm friends with numerous veterans and retired enlisted personnel and throughout this entire journey for me they have regaled me with stories of complete shit officers who think they walk on water and complete unicorns; urging me to be the later. Gogakuhei strikes me 100% as the embodiment of the former.
 

Sar12

Member
Zing!


I also think it probably has a great deal to do with the "whole person" concept. To start, language skills mean zip to Intel (see O.R. commentary)....

Agreed and thanks for bringing up motivational statements. You reminded me that one thing both Jill and I did was deviate from the motivational statement formats that we saw online or were shown to us by our recruiters.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
I'm glad we were selected at the same board. I just wanted to add that I don't think applicants are emphasizing the OAR enough. I keep seeing all these people who have (or say they have) amazing backgrounds but don't produce a matching OAR score. The OAR is the only item on the application that they can use to directly compare you with other applicants. The one trend which seems specifically strong with those selected by this board is the OAR.

OAR tends to follow GPA, so if you have a person with a great GPA they will probably have a great OAR, it trends more closely for those with tech degrees in my experience, but we had several who were picked up for IWC field that had OAR less than 50 even though they had high GPA's.

The OAR is really just a coincidence vice determining factor.
 

Sar12

Member
OAR tends to follow GPA, so if you have a person with a great GPA they will probably have a great OAR, it trends more closely for those with tech degrees in my experience, but we had several who were picked up for IWC field that had OAR less than 50 even though they had high GPA's.

The OAR is really just a coincidence vice determining factor.

Very interesting! I wonder what type of universities the high GPA but low OAR score applicants came from and if that played a role. Also, do you think that if you are a non-STEM major the OAR might play a bigger role in your application since it is focused on math and mechanics? I hope that guy with the spreadsheet with people's stats does some serious statistical analysis. It would be pretty cool to see what or if there are any statistically significant trends.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
Very interesting! I wonder what type of universities the high GPA but low OAR score applicants came from and if that played a role. Also, do you think that if you are a non-STEM major the OAR might play a bigger role in your application since it is focused on math and mechanics? I hope that guy with the spreadsheet with people's stats does some serious statistical analysis. It would be pretty cool to see what or if there are any statistically significant trends.

It seems like folks who went to online colleges, say Univ of Phoenix, Devry, Webster, etc. and got high GPAs tend to struggle on the OAR/ASTB because they're not used to standardized tests.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
Very interesting! I wonder what type of universities the high GPA but low OAR score applicants came from and if that played a role. Also, do you think that if you are a non-STEM major the OAR might play a bigger role in your application since it is focused on math and mechanics? I hope that guy with the spreadsheet with people's stats does some serious statistical analysis. It would be pretty cool to see what or if there are any statistically significant trends.

BYU was one that comes to mind.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
It seems like folks who went to online colleges, say Univ of Phoenix, Devry, Webster, etc. and got high GPAs tend to struggle on the OAR/ASTB because they're not used to standardized tests.

I only had 2 applicants that did the online college thing, one scored a 35 and the other was like 50/51/52
 
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