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1AO_MR_GRAY

Fly High, Fly Fast.
I have a quick question. If I were to choose to fly helos, will I be able to choose either HSM or HSC, or is it one of those draw from a hat things?
 

Uncle Fester

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I have a quick question. If I were to choose to fly helos, will I be able to choose either HSM or HSC, or is it one of those draw from a hat things?
sortinghat.jpg

"Not HSM, eh? Are you sure? You could be great, you know. It's all here in your head. And HSM will help you on the way to greatness, there's no doubt about that. No? Well if you're sure, better be... FIRE SCOUT!"
 

1AO_MR_GRAY

Fly High, Fly Fast.
sortinghat.jpg

"Not HSM, eh? Are you sure? You could be great, you know. It's all here in your head. And HSM will help you on the way to greatness, there's no doubt about that. No? Well if you're sure, better be... FIRE SCOUT!"
I wouldn't care what I got if that is how we choose.
 

xcinman

Awaiting my commission in May
This may be a dumb question, but what is the difference between the two, HSC and HSM, exactly and what are the major differences in what they do?
 

xcinman

Awaiting my commission in May
Internet my friend, internet.

Found the answer I was looking for after a very quick google search. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! :)

Now I am going to spend the next several hours googling this stuff instead of working.
 

RedFive

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And don't forget VRC, either! Or will it be HRC? Oh my, the rice bowls have already begun! From the latest TPS NAVADMIN: "This will also be the first board where C-2 pilots are considered for the Rotary Wing syllabus at USNTPS with
follow-on orders as a CMV-22 test pilot at HX-21. Candidates selected for the CMV-22 syllabus will complete approximately 8 to 10 months of training
[aka HTs] prior to starting USNTPS with a follow-on class."

...didn't the Marines learn this the hard way already or are those just old wives tales? :(
 

IKE

Nerd Whirler
pilot
And don't forget VRC, either! Or will it be HRC? Oh my, the rice bowls have already begun! From the latest TPS NAVADMIN: "This will also be the first board where C-2 pilots are considered for the Rotary Wing syllabus at USNTPS with
follow-on orders as a CMV-22 test pilot at HX-21. Candidates selected for the CMV-22 syllabus will complete approximately 8 to 10 months of training
[aka HTs] prior to starting USNTPS with a follow-on class."

...didn't the Marines learn this the hard way already or are those just old wives tales? :(
Fact check:

1) A C-2/CMV-22 bubba in the RW syllabus at TPS doesn't steal a slot from an H-53/H-60 bubba. TPS can take up to ~24 RW people/year, including Army, AF, CG, foreign exchange, and civilian engineers. In recent years, HX-21 hasn't asked for/reserved many slots. USMC MV-22 test pilots have all done the RW syllabus.

2) The follow-on training is NOT the HTs. It's the USMC FRS. The first CMV-22 test pilot is already at HX. He was already a tester, so he went straight to the FRS; no HTs. @sevenhelmet could speak to this, but I think the FW syllabus is more Jet than Turboprop, so a CMV-22 tester probably gets more out of a RW syllabus with turboshaft performance and a few extra C-12 flights.

No rice bowl issues from the NAVAIR side.

On the operational side, I've heard HSC dudes argue that HSC should get the CMV-22, which I think is narrow-minded, and I believe has already been discussed here on AW.
 

IKE

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...didn't the Marines learn this the hard way already or are those just old wives tales? :(
And another thing...

I won't discuss mishap details here, but let's just say it's easier for a C-2 guy to learn V-22 controls than it is for an H-46 guy to unlearn what he has learned.
 

RedFive

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A C-2/CMV-22 bubba in the RW syllabus at TPS doesn't steal a slot from an H-53/H-60 bubba.

No, I didn't think it did. But why shouldn't those knuckle-dragging rotorheads be eligible for the same CMV-22 TPS slot? Hadn't seen any threads about it, though I don't doubt that you're correct in saying it's already come up. I haven't heard any HSC guys say HSC should get the 22, but you'd think there would be some cross-pollination encouraged a la 60s/53s. I suppose I'll go take a look for some of those old mishaps.
 

Uncle Fester

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On the operational side, I've heard HSC dudes argue that HSC should get the CMV-22, which I think is narrow-minded, and I believe has already been discussed here on AW.

I'm unplugged from the ACCLW house now, but I would put all my chips on the 'that shit ain't never gonna happen' square. No VAW-VRC Commodore in his right political mind would voluntarily give up squadrons and CO slots to another type wing, and even when the CDRE/Deputy isn't a COD guy by background, VRC wields more influence within the community than you might think.
 
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