Gwot

[Chubby]

So, the unit list for the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal came out and CNET and subordinate commands are on the list (i.e.- ROTC units). I know the staff rate the medal, but do the stashed ensigns rate it as well? We are active duty and attached to the unit, but I don't know. Thanks.

 

[Scamahmrd]

I got it.

 

[zippy]

When i originally talked to my unit Xo about it, he didn't think they could give it to me (but, he didn't seem to know anything about what commands were on the list). I got it while being stashed somewhere else that was authorized by SecNav to have its people recieve it.

 

[Red2]

Unless they recently changed the requirements for it, I thought you had to be part of a unit that was involved in either OEF or OIF? If ROTC stash Ensigns are getting it, then pretty much everyone should get it.

 

[bch]

Sorry in advance for jumpin on the soap box. Don't be one of those guys trying to find out every single medal/ribbon that they could possibly be up for and can then put on their uniform.

That and honestly, if you are an aviator, WHO CARES! you are only going to be in khakis maybe 1 time every few months after API.

 

[Scamahmrd]

Regardless, I think if you are a stash Ensign for over 30 days you rate it. My Chief entered it into my record, so I'm pretty sure we rate it.

BCH, not trying to argue with you, but there is nothing wrong with keeping your uniform up-to-date. In fact... it's one of your responsibilities. I'm definently not a ribbon chaser, but I do try to keep my unifrom proper. Again, not trying to argue.

 

[virtu050]

hmm.. knew a guy at OCS who got a good conduct medal for being med down too long... go figure.

do Training squadrons rate the new medal? i.e. SNA/SNFO

 

[SteveG75]

The new "I was alive in 2004" medal. PLus you get the old "I was alive" medal known as the NSDM.

IMHO, the ones that really matter are personal awards such as NAMS, NCM, Air Medals, and of course the pain award (Sea Service Deployment).

 

[smittyrunr]

If you go to the awards website https://awards.navy.mil there is a note about people in 'initial acession training' and those who have not reported to their first duty station are not eligible. I read that as stashes not getting it... and CNATRA isn't listed, so SNA/SNFO no.

 

[zippy]

Here are the guidelines (NAVADMIN 273/04.)

TO AL NAVADMIN(uc)
CC CNO WASHINGTON DC(uc)



PASS TO OFFICE CODES:
R 031952Z DEC 04
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//DNS//
TO NAVADMIN
UNCLAS
NAVADMIN 273/04
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/DNS/-/DEC//
SUBJ/ANNOUNCEMENT AND GUIDANCE FOR ISSUANCE OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON
/TERRORISM SERVICE MEDAL (GWOTSM) FOR NAVY PERSONNEL//
REF/A/DOC/WHITE HOUSE E.O. 13289/13MAR2003//
REF/B/DOC/SECDEF/28OCT2003//
REF/C/DOC/SECDEF/26FEB2004//
REF/D/DOC/SECDEF/09NOV2004//
REF/E/DOC/SECNAVINST 1650.1G/07JAN2002//
NARR/REF A IS WHITE HOUSE EXECUTIVE ORDER APPROVING THE GWOT SERVICE
MEDAL. REF B AUTHORIZED RELEASE OF THE GWOTSM AND POLICY
INSTRUCTION. REF C ANNOUNCED FINAL APPROVAL OF THE GWOTSM AND GWOT
EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL (GWOTEM). REF D ANNOUNCED REVISED GWOTSM
POLICY. REF E IS THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS AWARDS MANUAL.//
RMKS/1. THE PURPOSE OF THIS NAVADMIN IS TO ANNOUNCE THE APPROVAL OF
THE GWOTSM AND TO PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDANCE AND PROCEDURES FOR
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS AWARD WITHIN THE NAVY. PER REFS A THROUGH D,
GWOTSM IS AUTHORIZED FOR ISSUE TO NAVY PERSONNEL AS OUTLINED IN
PARAS 2 THROUGH 6 OF THIS NAVADMIN.
2. GWOTSM BASIC ELIGIBILITY:
A. INDIVIDUALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN OR SERVED IN SUPPORT OF THE
GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM FOR SPECIFIED OPERATIONS ON OR AFTER 11
SEPTEMBER 2001 AND TO A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
B. SERVICE MEMBERS MUST BE ASSIGNED, ATTACHED OR MOBILIZED TO A
UNIT PARTICIPATING IN OR SERVING IN SUPPORT OF DESIGNATED OPERATIONS
FOR 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS OR 60 NONCONSECUTIVE DAYS OR MEET ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING CRITERIA:
(1) BE ENGAGED IN ACTUAL COMBAT REGARDLESS OF TIME IN THE
OPERATION.
(2) WHILE PARTICIPATING IN THE OPERATION, REGARDLESS OF
TIME, BE KILLED, WOUNDED OR INJURED REQUIRING MEDICAL EVACUATION.
3. SPECIFIED OPERATIONS. INITIAL APPROVED OPERATIONS ARE AIRPORT
SECURITY (27 SEP 01 THROUGH 31 MAY 02), NOBLE EAGLE, ENDURING
FREEDOM AND IRAQI FREEDOM. FUTURE APPROVED OPERATIONS WILL BE
ANNOUNCED VIA NAVADMIN AND WILL POSTED ON THE NAVY AWARDS WEBSITE AT
HTTPS://AWARDS.NAVY.MIL.
4. AWARDING AUTHORITY FOR NAVY PERSONNEL RESTS WITH THE CHIEF OF
NAVAL OPERATIONS AND COMBATANT COMMANDERS.
A. CNO AUTHORIZES THE WEARING OF THE GWOTSM FOR NAVY PERSONNEL
ATTACHED TO COMMANDS WHO EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY SUPPORTED THE
DESIGNATED OPERATIONS. SUPPORT IS DEFINED AS ADMINISTRATIVE,
LOGISTICAL, PLANNING, OPERATIONAL, TECHNICAL, READINESS AND ANY
OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES RELATED TO THE DESIGNATED OPERATIONS.
B. NAVY PERSONNEL IN INITIAL ACCESSION TRAINING, TO INCLUDE
FOLLOW-ON CAREER-SPECIFIC TRAINING, DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE GWOTSM
UNDER THIS AUTHORIZATION. ELIGIBILITY BEGINS ONCE ASSIGNED TO THE
FIRST PERMANENT DUTY STATION AFTER COMPLETION OF INITIAL AND
FOLLOW-ON TRAINING.
C. ECHELON 2 COMMANDS SHALL SUBMIT A LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS DEEMED
QUALIFIED FOR THE GWOTSM TO CNO FOR APPROVAL. SEND LIST IN EXCEL
FORMAT WITH SIGNED COVER LETTER IN PDF FORMAT TO NAVYAWARDS@NAVY.MIL.
SUBJECT LINE TO READ: GWOTSM QUALIFIED LIST ATTACHED . APPROVED
ORGANIZATIONS WILL BE POSTED ON THE NAVY AWARDS WEBSITE.
D. COMMANDING OFFICERS AND NAVY LEADERS SHALL ENSURE PERSONNEL
CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THEIR COMMAND OR ORGANIZATION WHO ARE
QUALIFIED FOR THE GWOTSM ARE PROVIDED THE MEDAL AND PROPER
DOCUMENTATION IS COMPLETED.
E. FOR NAVY PERSONNEL HONORABLY DISCHARGED OR RETIRED AFTER 11 SEP
2001 WHO MEET THE CRITERIA IN PARAGRAPH 2 AND ARE REQUESTING THE
GWOTSM: SUBMIT A WRITTEN REQUEST INDICATING UNIT AND DATES
ASSIGNED, AND CURRENT MAILING ADDRESS WITH A COPY OF THE UNDELETED
VERSION OF THE DD-214 TO: NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND (PERS-312) 5720
INTEGRITY DR, MILLINGTON, TN 38055. IF AVAILABLE, SUPPORTING
OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION SHOWING SERVICE WITH A QUALIFYING UNIT (EX:
EVAL, FITREP) SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
F. ORGANIZATIONS REPORTING DIRECTLY TO SECNAV ARE ENCOURAGED TO
FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES IN PARAS 4. B AND C, TO ENSURE PROPER
DOCUMENTATION FOR QUALIFIED NAVY PERSONNEL.
G. NAVY PERSONNEL WHO WERE/ARE ASSIGNED TO COMBATANT COMMANDS OR
WHO SERVED WITH OTHER SERVICES THAT PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED THE GWOTSM
ARE NOW AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE MEDAL. PROPER DOCUMENTATION MUST BE
INCORPORATED IN THE SERVICE RECORD.
5. SUBSEQUENT AWARDS. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS FOR
SUBSEQUENT AWARDS OF THE GWOTSM.
6. THE GWOTSM MAY BE AWARDED POSTHUMOUSLY.
7. PRECEDENCE. THE GWOTSM WILL BE POSITIONED DIRECTLY BELOW THE
GWOTEM IN PRECEDENCE; BOTH SHALL DIRECTLY FOLLOW THE KOSOVO CAMPAIGN
MEDAL. NAVY PERSONNEL MAY RECEIVE THE GWOTEM AND GWOTSM, IF THEY MEET
THE REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH AWARDS; HOWEVER, THE QUALIFYING PERIOD USED
TO JUSTIFY ELIGIBILITY FOR ONE CANNOT BE USED TO JUSTIFY ELIGIBILITY
FOR THE OTHER.
8. THE GWOTSM IS AVAILABLE VIA THE SUPPLY SYSTEM UNDER STOCK NUMBER
8455-01-506-7170.
9. REF E WILL BE ANNOTATED TO INCLUDE THIS AMENDMENT. FOR
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, VISIT THE NAVY AWARDS WEBSITE AT
HTTPS://AWARDS.NAVY.MIL.
11. RELEASED BY VADM A. T. CHURCH III, DIRECTOR, NAVY STAFF.//

 

[nittany03]

I don't think you'd rate a medal for being stashed with a unit anyway . . . you're TAD to that unit from another, not on PCS orders. Personally, right now I wouldn't wear a GWOTSM unless I had hard proof I rated one.

As for keeping one's uniform "up to date," IMHO it's better to miss wearing a medal that you do rate than to wear one you haven't earned. Not trying to bring anyone's integrity into question here, but I do seem to remember a certain CNO getting in hot water for that a few years ago. I also recall General Hagee voluntarily refusing to wear a couple of his decorations when the documentation, and thus the proof, was lost.

That said, I'm a little fuzzy on what "Initial Accession Training" or "Follow-on Training" mean. Does that mean Boot Camp and A or C-school for enlisted types? Flight School for us? All of the above?

 

[zippy]

Nittany, Thanks for your concern.

I had the same concerns about wearing a medal you didn't earn/rate, which was what sparked my inquiry with my unit XO and then my stash command (they sent all the active duty an email saying that they were getting it-otherwise I would never have thought about it).

I specifically asked about wheter or not my PTAD time from my unit counted towards the requirements. Knowing my situation (that I was waiting to go to flight school etc.), they said yes it did. When I recieved a copy of my page 13 they sent to PERS it read "member authorized to wear the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal in support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM while assigned to..."

I figured that when the people I asked have, on average, more time in the navy then I have in age... that they probably know what was going on better then me.

But like Steve said, this is just a "participation" award. if the people who said i rated it change their mind, then out with the trash it goes... Too bad about Admiral Boorda though, everyone I talked to who knew him said he was a great guy.

 

[Brett327]

Sorry in advance for jumpin on the soap box. Don't be one of those guys trying to find out every single medal/ribbon that they could possibly be up for and can then put on their uniform.

That and honestly, if you are an aviator, WHO CARES! you are only going to be in khakis maybe 1 time every few months after API.

Not so fast... Some squadrons have their duty standers wear khakis and I know lots of the P-3 squadrons make them wear khakis unless they're actually flying. I agree that one should not be a weasel to get awards that you probably don't deserve, but at the same time, you should make sure you get everything you rate.

Brett

 

[Schnugg]

It's all chest candy...

But, if you've earned it, wear it with pride. Why not?

However, it's important to remember the only thing that will get you promoted is "sustained superior performance in operational billets."

Image below was generated from a cool page 5th Fleet is linked to....

Link is: http://kepler.pratt.duke.edu/USNRibbons.html

I just need add to lots of gold stars, some Es and many small bronze stars....especially on the sea service ribbon....

G

 

[Chubby]

Don't be one of those guys trying to find out every single medal/ribbon that they could possibly be up for and can then put on their uniform.

That and honestly, if you are an aviator, WHO CARES! you are only going to be in khakis maybe 1 time every few months after API.

Dining in + missing ribbons you rate + my command = Grog. (Seriously, they'll call you out) But, if you'd like to take the fine and drink that swill so you can feel better about me not ribbon hording feel free, I'll FedEx it to you.

As for keeping one's uniform "up to date," IMHO it's better to miss wearing a medal that you do rate than to wear one you haven't earned. Not trying to bring anyone's integrity into question here, but I do seem to remember a certain CNO getting in hot water for that a few years ago.

Last time I checked, thats why I asked.

But seriously y'all, if you want a new whipping boy for asking questions lemme know and I'll ask some dumb ones.