Um, its not hard to look at the FARs before giving advice.
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NEWS GI Bill funded flight training to be discontinued....
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Um, its not hard to look at the FARs before giving advice.
As Beans stated he did not have an airplane instrument, I thought it best not to say anything definite but give a general concept that he could ask the FAA about and possibly save some time and money - and maybe end up with a rotorcraft ATP as a bonus.
You can look here: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...ew=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2&idno=14#sp14.2.61.g
Subpart G—Airline Transport Pilots
§61.151 Applicability.
and here
§61.165 Additional aircraft category and class ratings. (add on ratings)
On a sidenote, I thought SNA's could take a FAA military equivalency test upon graduating South Whiting and receive rotorcraft instrument and commercial as well as single engine airplane instrument and commercial. Did this go away?
I don't know. What do the FARs say?
Someone misses being an orange and white IP.
We did, but in 2009 that did not include instrument-airplane. I think the thinking was that our Navy instrument rating was issued for a helicopter, not an airplane, despite our primary training being nearly sufficient to accomplish it.
Also, I think ATP is a little farther out for me. I don't have the hours for it (yet), so it'll have to come after the other stuff.
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Not sure if and/or when that issuance of ratings changed - did you go through Vance? If you did the standard North Whiting / South Whiting, you should get all of your airplane and helicopter ratings. I remember hearing about a few guys who got delayed and thus had some issues getting their airplane ratings - but before spending money on an airplane instrument rating I would certainly call South Whiting student control and see if they can do anything for you. If that does not work, send me a PM and I'll make a few calls and see what I can find out - would hate to see you spend money and time on licenses you rate by virtue of completing your military training.
A multi-engine airplane commercial is an add on requiring a minimum amount of flying (say 10 hours) depending on how you feel in the airplane - this should allow you to be a F.O. in a Part 135 operation.
ATP's are another story with differing minimum flight hour requirements, especially with the recent changes to require Part 121 F.O.'s to have an ATP (either an unrestricted ATP or the new restricted ATP). There are plenty of guys here who can give you real time gouge on that - but certainly would like to see if you can get that airplane instrument retroactively by showing your logbook.
Hm. Well, I'll give that a shot tomorrow. A little more hopeful for it, as I followed up w/ my Part 141 school here and they've decided to not take VA students for the time being because they were not reimbursed (from over a year ago, apparently) for the last two VA students they took. Sounds like it's going to take months to resolve, and taking a trip out of town is also not gonna happen, so... thanks VA!
The issue was one of semantics. The FAA wasn't comfortable giving an airplane instrument rating to someone who hadn't had the equivalent of a check ride (or IPC). One of the AWs here (sorry, can't remember who) did a lot of work with the San Diego FSDO (who is very military friendly) and they bought off on the I4390 being counted as a checkride, even though it's not an instrument check (or IPC). Once that connection was made, I think folks started having better luck with getting all the ratings again, at least in the past.
I winged 2015 and I got my commercial single engine airplane, commercial helicopter, as well as instrument ratings in helo's and single engine airplane. It's not handed to you once you complete, the senior winger had contact info in his/her passdown binder for an FAA advisor in Milton that would put your paperwork together and send it off. Before you sat down with him you had to take the military competency exam, which was free if you scheduled it with Eglin AFB or paid $150 at Peter Prince's FBO.
I used the SD FSDO to have my instrument airplane added. It only took a little convincing. After having the same discussion a couple years ago with a mil-comp DPE in Mayport and the Orlando FSDO, I successfully helped a friend get theirs added as well. It's all about making the case that the I4390 is equivalent to an instrument checkride. If you get the Instrument PTS and look as those maneuvers, every single one of them is covered on that gradesheet. Plus the gradesheet even says checkride in the title. If you need a copy of your gradesheet, reach out to your appropriate TRAWING and they will send you a PDF of your training jacket.
Just have your shit in one sock before talking to the DPE and make it easy for them to say yes. Worst case, shop around the FSDOs until you find one that says yes.