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DCOIC Gouge for those about to commission as a DCO

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wake up thread - almost 2019.... new gouge?!

Yes. 2017 was a different era. At least regarding the discussion on this page of the thread, as most folks know, blueberries are being phased out. I've heard they'll be discontinued by the beginning of FY20? Get the guacamoles as it will be required. I haven't been told anything about having to bother with blueberries and really there's no use in doing so at this point.
 

bubblehead

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Yes. 2017 was a different era. At least regarding the discussion on this page of the thread, as most folks know, blueberries are being phased out. I've heard they'll be discontinued by the beginning of FY20? Get the guacamoles as it will be required. I haven't been told anything about having to bother with blueberries and really there's no use in doing so at this point.
The NWU Type III becomes the Navy's primary shore working uniform Oct. 1, 2019.
 

ABMD

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The NWU Type III becomes the Navy's primary shore working uniform Oct. 1, 2019.
I found a couple nice PDFs:
1) DCO Uniform List
Apparently coyote boots are allowed.

2) DCOIC Required Paperwork/Items to Bring


Is this a typo? Maybe per day?

The two links in the opening post are dead. Does anyone know what the day-to-day is like? Just out of curiosity.

I don't remember much running at all. I think we did 2 moc PRTs and that was about it for running. We did PT several times a week, but that did not involve running.
 

bubblehead

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DCOIC is pretty easy. The toughest part is getting little sleep. You'll also drop a couple of pounds while you are there. I went in the Fall before the Winter set in and lost 15 lbs due to the constant exercise and walking everywhere, and only eating three meals a day in the galley/mess hall. At least when I went, we were not allowed to eat anything with sugar in the mess hall.

I would really prefer that all DCO candidates attend Officer Development School (ODS), which is the active duty equivalent. Off the street civilians with no military background would benefit greatly from the full ODS course. IMHO, sending people like this to a two week DCO course is not setting them up for success as an officer.

I would say that DCO is sufficient for prior Enlisted or current drilling Reservists.

I like the Marine Corps way of doing business. Every single officer, Active or Reserve, regardless of commissioning source attends The Basic School (TBS). This is the best way of doing things as everyone receives the same baseline level of training.
 

ABMD

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DCOIC is pretty easy. The toughest part is getting little sleep. You'll also drop a couple of pounds while you are there. I went in the Fall before the Winter set in and lost 15 lbs due to the constant exercise and walking everywhere, and only eating three meals a day in the galley/mess hall. At least when I went, we were not allowed to eat anything with sugar in the mess hall.

I would really prefer that all DCO candidates attend Officer Development School (ODS), which is the active duty equivalent. Off the street civilians with no military background would benefit greatly from the full ODS course. IMHO, sending people like this to a two week DCO course is not setting them up for success as an officer.

I would say that DCO is sufficient for prior Enlisted or current drilling Reservists.

I like the Marine Corps way of doing business. Every single officer, Active or Reserve, regardless of commissioning source attends The Basic School (TBS). This is the best way of doing things as everyone receives the same baseline level of training.


I agree about the ODS course. Prior Service ->DCOIC , Civilian -> ODS


Make sure you arrive within height/weight standards. They will perform a BCA for everyone and if you are out of standards you will be sent home.

Expect to get up early, starting your day at 0430-0530, rushing to shower and get dressed each morning.

Don't fall asleep in class, stand in the back if you start to feel heavy headed.

Study your gouge, which for the life of me I cannot locate online or in my files.

No caffeine!

Make sure your lockers are locked at all times when you are not in your room.

Do not laugh, point or otherwise draw attention to the OCS candidates while they are getting chewed out by the DIs at chow (that is, unless you want an earful from the Chiefs).

Have fun and enjoy Newport on your liberty weekend.
 

Hair Warrior

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I will disagree on the ODS vs DCOIC. Our senior chief told us he preferred instructing DCO over ODS because we joined for different reasons. Many at ODS are there for the free med school or other free degree, and they often have less work experience than DCO officers. Also, it would have been way harder on my family and my civ job to do both ODS and a long, in-person IWC training in the same year. Lastly, my experience at DCOIC taught me that prior service vs non prior service was not a predictor of who was a good teammate/good leader at DCOIC.
 

bubblehead

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I will disagree on the ODS vs DCOIC. Our senior chief told us he preferred instructing DCO over ODS because we joined for different reasons. Many at ODS are there for the free med school or other free degree, and they often have less work experience than DCO officers. Also, it would have been way harder on my family and my civ job to do both ODS and a long, in-person IWC training in the same year. Lastly, my experience at DCOIC taught me that prior service vs non prior service was not a predictor of who was a good teammate/good leader at DCOIC.
While I agree, my point is standardizing the training pipeline, like they are starting to do - finally - with 1835 and 1825 training. You are correct, prior-Enlisted status means nothing in the greater scheme of things.

At least for 1825's you are now required to attend the active duty course. No exceptions. Not sure what the 1835's are doing in this regard but I hope they make attending the active 183X course mandatory.
 

bryanteagle6

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Im on the ODS train too. I think the standardizing of the training would likely reduce the craziness of the competitiveness of the DCO IWC process. However, we would lose some of those PhD high end civilian experts probably though.
At most of my panel interviews, many of the other applicants would share that if it wasnt a DCO opportunity, they "couldnt" do it.
 
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DCOIC is pretty easy. The toughest part is getting little sleep. You'll also drop a couple of pounds while you are there. I went in the Fall before the Winter set in and lost 15 lbs due to the constant exercise and walking everywhere, and only eating three meals a day in the galley/mess hall. At least when I went, we were not allowed to eat anything with sugar in the mess hall.

I would really prefer that all DCO candidates attend Officer Development School (ODS), which is the active duty equivalent. Off the street civilians with no military background would benefit greatly from the full ODS course. IMHO, sending people like this to a two week DCO course is not setting them up for success as an officer.

I would say that DCO is sufficient for prior Enlisted or current drilling Reservists.

I like the Marine Corps way of doing business. Every single officer, Active or Reserve, regardless of commissioning source attends The Basic School (TBS). This is the best way of doing things as everyone receives the same baseline level of training.

Getting my normal amount of sleep? What's not to like?

Isn't ODS for active duty medical/chaplain/legal types since they don't go through OCS? If they had ODS for all reserve officers, I'd much prefer it. In fact, I was expecting to go to OCS since I was initially told DCOIC was for Reserve medical/chaplain/legal officers (bad gouge abounds!), until I found out once I started the application process that DCOIC was for all officers commissioned into the Reserve. A bit odd considering enlisted still go to RTC, whether AC or RC.

With regards to TBS, do you just mean a standardized training evolution following OCS/DCOIC/ODS? Or additionally a drawn-out 26 week grind? Well, there's also the Army way that makes everyone go through BCT then OCS.

I agree about the ODS course. Prior Service ->DCOIC , Civilian -> ODS


Make sure you arrive within height/weight standards. They will perform a BCA for everyone and if you are out of standards you will be sent home.

Expect to get up early, starting your day at 0430-0530, rushing to shower and get dressed each morning.

Don't fall asleep in class, stand in the back if you start to feel heavy headed.

Study your gouge, which for the life of me I cannot locate online or in my files.

No caffeine!

Make sure your lockers are locked at all times when you are not in your room.

Do not laugh, point or otherwise draw attention to the OCS candidates while they are getting chewed out by the DIs at chow (that is, unless you want an earful from the Chiefs).

Have fun and enjoy Newport on your liberty weekend.

No caffeine? :eek: As a corporate goonie who lives off tea and coffee, that sounds like the worst part of all of this by far.
 
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ABMD

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Getting my normal amount of sleep? What's not to like?

Isn't ODS for active duty medical/chaplain/legal types since they don't go through OCS? If they had ODS for all reserve officers, I'd much prefer it. In fact, I was expecting to go to OCS since I was initially told DCOIC was for Reserve medical/chaplain/legal officers (bad gouge abounds!), until I found out once I started the application process that DCOIC was for all officers commissioned into the Reserve. A bit odd considering enlisted still go to RTC, whether AC or RC.

With regards to TBS, do you just mean a standardized training evolution following OCS/DCOIC/ODS? Or additionally a drawn-out 26 week grind? Well, there's also the Army way that makes everyone go through BCT then OCS.



No caffeine? :eek: As a corporate goonie who lives off tea and coffee, that sounds like the worst part of all of this by far.

The way I understand it, I could be waaay off base here, is that ODS is for DCOs (Staff Corps and other Restricted Line O's) that are going Active and DCOIC is for DCOs going Reserve.
 

bubblehead

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The way I understand it, I could be waaay off base here, is that ODS is for DCOs (Staff Corps and other Restricted Line O's) that are going Active and DCOIC is for DCOs going Reserve.
ODS is for Active Duty folks who got commissioned on Active Duty and who did not go through OCS. It's also for the groups mentioned (Jag, medical, etc.).

Active Duty LDO's have their own course in Training Country (what they call the area of the base where ODS, DCOIC, and OCS are located).

DCOIC is for Reserve only.
 

Hair Warrior

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Not sure what the 1835's are doing in this regard but I hope they make attending the active 183X course mandatory.
RNIOBC phase one is 4.5 weeks in IWTC-VB. RNIOBC phase two is 2 weeks in IWTC-VB. DCOIC must be completed before RNIOBC phase one. Both RNIOBC courses must be completed prior to sitting for your 3I1 Intel PQS board, which means completing both within 36 mo. of commissioning (without a waiver to extend to 48 mo.). RNIOBC phase one is potentially waiverable if you earned a Navy EIDWS pin, but those waivers are not given lightly. RNIOBC phase two is not waiverable. Active duty NIOBC is still an option as a 6 mo. long ADT but I’m not sure why you’d want to.
 
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