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Canada cancelling JSF to purchase F/A-18's?

Brett327

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Canada doesn't need a lot of capacity. 15-20 jets will be good for them and good for us.
 

Flash

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Canada doesn't need a lot of capacity. 15-20 jets will be good for them and good for us.

A big part of the problem is that 18 jets is barely sustainable from a fleet perspective, almost no credible air force that operates modern fighter jets has a fleet that small and a good part of the reason is that it is difficult to do much of anything to include even standing more than one alert with so few aircraft. Even with the fleet commonality with the CF-188's there will be significant issues with sustainment, training and operations.
 

jackjack

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18 tails? I would guess they will be able to sustain maybe 2-4 on deployment, 4-8 on a surge. Similar to what Aussies can do with our 24. Enough to wave the flag and call it a coalition.
 

azguy

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I understand this is a good thing for Boeing's F-18 production line, but what strategic effect will the cancellation of a very close ally's F-35 buy have on the F-35 program? Am I reading too far into this?
 

Recovering LSO

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@Flash, what's more important/valuable to Naval Aviation? 15-20 Canadian Rhinos, or the St Louis line staying open longer? No personal offense meant to our northern bros, but I'd call it a tweener - at best.
 

Flash

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@Flash, what's more important/valuable to Naval Aviation? 15-20 Canadian Rhinos, or the St Louis line staying open longer? No personal offense meant to our northern bros, but I'd call it a tweener - at best.

I wasn't thinking of it from a Naval Aviation perspective but from a realistic one, something that often seems to escape my in-laws' countrymen up north when it comes to defense matters. Plus the Kuwaiti order of 40 jets keeps the production line open plenty long enough for the Navy to get off its ass and order more.
 

sevenhelmet

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I understand this is a good thing for Boeing's F-18 production line, but what strategic effect will the cancellation of a very close ally's F-35 buy have on the F-35 program? Am I reading too far into this?

The cynical side of me predicts it will somehow result in a(nother) F-35 delay, but I base that on absolutely nothing. I'm just more than a bit jaded as we try to run the F/A-18 fleet on what feels like a shoestring budget. Semi-legitimately, I'd say it will probably be a contributor to the cost per unit ballooning (even more) and the political volatility of the F-35.
 

Randy Daytona

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fighter-jet-meetings-1.3866445

Boeing met federal officials 7 times as often as Lockheed Martin in lead-up to fighter deal
The U.S. manufacturer set to win the sole-source fighter jet deal had more recorded face time with senior federal officials than its rivals, raising questions about how level the playing field really was in the run-up to this week's announcement.

The federal lobbyist registry indicates that Chicago-based Boeing, which will provide 18 Super Hornet jets to the air force, had roughly seven times as many official meetings with federal staff since the beginning of the year as rival Lockheed Martin, the maker of the F-35.

The breadth and scope of the access are also extraordinary.
 

exNavyOffRec

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18 tails? I would guess they will be able to sustain maybe 2-4 on deployment, 4-8 on a surge. Similar to what Aussies can do with our 24. Enough to wave the flag and call it a coalition.

Given Canada's current political leader I doubt they would look at deploying any jets anywhere, maybe forces for logistic support but I would doubt anything else.
 

jmcquate

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One of my neighbors is a military attache (Army) at the embassy. He's of the opinion that they are going with Es.
 

Flash

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One of my neighbors is a military attache (Army) at the embassy. He's of the opinion that they are going with Es.

No surprise since they haven't had jet nav's since they retired their CF-101's in 1984, I would be surprised if they don't get a few F's for training though.
 
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