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Another nail in the coffin of Old-School Naval Avaition..

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
#1
Saw this on the message board this morning:

NAVADMIN 025/11 said:
DTG: 252348Z JAN 11
UNCLASSIFIED//
PASS TO ALL OFFICE CODES:

FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1//
NAVADMIN 025/11
UNCLAS//N01000//
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/JAN// SUBJ/UNIFORM BOARD UPDATE// REF/A/DOC/NAVPERS 15665I/01JAN03// AMPN/REF A IS U.S. NAVY UNIFORM REGULATIONS// RMKS/1. THIS NAVADMIN ANNOUNCES THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS APPROVED UNIFORM POLICY CHANGES AS PROPOSED BY THE 16 DECEMBER 2010 NAVY UNIFORM BOARD (NUB). THE NUB IS LED BY THE CHIEF OF NAVAL PERSONNEL (PRESIDENT). THE FUNCTIONS OF THE NUB ARE OUTLINED IN REF A. APPROVED UNIFORM CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
A. STUFF ABOUT CPO CUTLASS
B. STUFF ABOUT CELL PHONES.
C. CRAP ABOUT WOMENS UNIFORMS.
D. FLIGHT SUIT MANNER OF WEAR. EFFECTIVE 1 OCTOBER 2011, STANDARDIZED WEAR OF FLIGHT SUITS WILL BE IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS:
(1) CONUS: ONLY GREEN FLIGHT SUITS WILL BE WORN IN CONUS. GREEN FLIGHT SUITS WILL BE WORN WITH BLACK UNDERSHIRTS.
(2) OCONUS: TAN FLIGHT SUITS WILL BE WORN OCONUS AS DETERMINED BY THE NAVY COMPONENT COMMANDER. TAN FLIGHT SUITS WILL BE WORN WITH BROWN UNDERSHIRTS.
(3) THE GRADUATE LEVEL AIRCREW TRAINING PATCH SHALL BE WORN ON THE RIGHT SHOULDER ONLY.
(4) GARRISON CAPS ARE TO BE STORED IN EITHER LEG POCKET WITHOUT THE POCKET BEING ZIPPED.
EXPOSURE OF THE GARRISON CAP WHEN STORED IN THE LEG POCKET IS AUTHORIZED.
(5) THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THIS POLICY IS THE FLIGHT SUIT AND COMPONENTS WORN BY THE U.S.
NAVY'S FLIGHT DEMONSTRATION SQUADRON (BLUE ANGELS).
E. CENTENNIAL ANNIVERSARY OF NAVAL AVIATION. THE CNO HAS APPROVED THE WEARING OF FLIGHT SUITS AT DESIGNATED AVIATION CENTENNIAL CELBRATION EVENTS DURING CALENDAR YEAR 2011. THE WEARING OF FLIGHT SUITS TO APPROVED CENTENNIAL EVENTS IS CONTROLLED BY COMMANDER, NAVAL AIR FORCES.
APPROVAL OF DESIGNATED VENUES WILL OCCUR ON A QUARTELY BASIS. COMMANDER, NAVAL AIR FORCES WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS AND GUIDANCE OF AUTHORIZED EVENTS AND FLIGHT SUIT MANNER OF WEAR TO DESIGNATED NAVY ORGANIZATIONS VIA SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE.
2. FILE THIS NAVADMIN UNTIL REVISIONS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUPERS DIRECTIVE CD-ROM CHANGE CONTAINING REF A.
3. POINTS OF CONTACT:
- POLICY CHANGES: MR. ROBERT B. CARROLL, HEAD, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS OFFICE, AT ROBERT.B.
CARROLL(AT)NAVY.MIL, CMDCM(AW) JERRY FEATHERSTONE, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS, AT (703) 695-3977/DSN 224, OR EMAIL AT JERRY.FEATHERSTONE(AT)NAVY.MIL AND PSC(SW) SHAWN LAFFERTY, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS, AT
(703) 614-5075.
- ORDERING THE CPO CUTLASS: MS. MARIAN NELSON, (757) 502-7506 OR E-MAIL AT MARIAN.NELSON(AT)NEXWEB.ORG
- AVIATION CENTENNIAL FLIGHT SUIT WEAR: CDR TAMI RYLEY, (619) 545-4171 OR E-MAIL AT TAMARA.RYLEY(AT)NAVY.MIL.
4. RELEASED BY VADM MARK FERGUSON, N1.//
 

webmaster

The Grass is Greener!
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
#2
This message just got sent out by our CMC, with emphasis on the flight suits (hmm?)...

On a side note, I recall that the Airboss asked commanders earlier this year about how to get flight suits approved for off base officially, one of the proposals I thought had black t shirts in it. Hoping possibly this could mean flight suits "officially" authorized off base? (Not like I haven't seen enough flight suits at Starbucks etc off base....) sigh...
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
#4
All the gayness of the USAF, without the nice bases or ability to wear bags in town.

And they STILL are keeping AWGs dead.

Maybe it's time to get out..
 

SynixMan

Professional CCX Wrangler
pilot
Contributor
#8
I always thought takeout was considered "Stop of conviencece". Granted, that's in the land of orange and white...

Either way, unless this means we can wear bags in town....why?
 

ltedge46

Lost in the machine
None
#9
On a side note, I recall that the Airboss asked commanders earlier this year about how to get flight suits approved for off base officially, one of the proposals I thought had black t shirts in it. Hoping possibly this could mean flight suits "officially" authorized off base? (Not like I haven't seen enough flight suits at Starbucks etc off base....) sigh...
Affirm, the powerpoint proposal from the Airboss was going around last year and the idea was that if they allowed it and you wore a flight suit out in town it had to be with a black t-shirt. But the idea wasn't to make black t-shirts mandantory for everyone. Wonder how it morphed into this? Maybe this is the first step in making the change, let's hope so.
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
#13
Too Hard To Get In...

All the gayness of the USAF, without the nice bases or ability to wear bags in town.

And they STILL are keeping AWGs dead.

Maybe it's time to get out..
Being ever thr optimist I have always been, I believe that all this will change when we return to a "BrownShoe" CNO. That includes AWGs that will then, like Lazerus, rise from the grave. AWGs are too comfortable, to warm, and too COOL to be gone for good.:idea_125:

Despite these temporary setbacks for JOPA, this doesn't mean "it's time to get out"!
 

Boomhower

Shoot, man, it's that dang ol' internet
None
#14
If your squadron colors don't include black, why the black undershirt?

The garrison cap MUST be stored in the leg pocket? Which leg pocket? Upper or lower? I always kept mine in the lower one with a can of snuff and paperwork that was about 6 weeks old, but didn't need someone to tell me to do it.

The flight suit policies of the US Navy used to drive me crazy when I was in. Why in the hell can't I stop for a cup of coffee on the way to work in the bag? Why can't I go to lunch in the bag, either? It's not like I'm going to a white napkin, 8-course dinner in a flight suit. I'm talking about going to a burger joint or something. Truth is, the public WANTS to see you guys out in town with flight suits on. In Pt. Mugu, we had guys try to buy our lunch all the time when we went out in flight suits. Kids asked for autographs. They loved us. And this was in the Peoples Republic of California.

Pt. Mugu was fairly cool about us wearing bags in town as long as you didn't abuse it (which one group did and fucked it up for everybody for a while). But when I went back to Norfolk, they were Nazi's about it.

This message just got sent out by our CMC, with emphasis on the flight suits (hmm?)...
Chiefs were the only ones that would give me shit about wearing bags in town in California. I'm not sure what their deal is with them.
 
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