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helolumpy

helolumpy

Apprentice School Principal
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Gatordev said:
FWIW, maybe if we ID'ed the malfunction on the 4th step, like we used to, you might be able to save it, but since it's step 6 now, there's no hope.
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Spoken like a true LAMPS guy!
This was one of the EP changes that NAVAIR forced the H-60B and H-60F/H to merge.
Since HS flew around at 150 feet, the two extre steps were to ensure the aircraft was still flying before you start looking at the VIDS to diagnose.
The HSL mentality (term used by the H-60B NATOPS MM) wad flying at 500 feet, so you weren't as concerned.
Don't know which is better but that's why it is, what it is.
 
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MasterBates

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HSL at 500?

50-200 was more like the norm for my dets, unless you had to come up for weapon or MAD considerations.

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Pags

N/A
pilot
Picaroon said:
Just curious, and not to go into too much detail with this, but why can't a 60 tow it and then if you lose an engine or whatever, jettison the cargo? I would understand if it were beyond the structural or weight capability of the aircraft, but from what was said it sounded more like an emergency situation would result in loss of the aircraft.
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Gatordev said:
I've heard it second (maybe third) hand, but the problem isn't the attitude or the "structural capability," it's just the small amount of time between engine malfunction and being able to fly yourself out of it. There isn't enough time to do all the stuff in between. I'm sure Pags has more info.

FWIW, maybe if we ID'ed the malfunction on the 4th step, like we used to, you might be able to save it, but since it's step 6 now, there's no hope.
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Gatordev pretty much hit the nail on the head. Since you're low, slow, and fat when you're towing if you roll a motor there's a risk that you wouldn't be able to execute the fly away before you hit the water.
 
Gatordev

Gatordev

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Site Admin
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helolumpy said:
Spoken like a true LAMPS guy!
This was one of the EP changes that NAVAIR forced the H-60B and H-60F/H to merge.
Since HS flew around at 150 feet, the two extre steps were to ensure the aircraft was still flying before you start looking at the VIDS to diagnose.
The HSL mentality (term used by the H-60B NATOPS MM) wad flying at 500 feet, so you weren't as concerned.
Don't know which is better but that's why it is, what it is.
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I actually like the overall concept of a merge, my frustration is when a certain community doesn't recognize another community's Natops Qual, even though that was the whole point of it. But I digress.

I just like to make fun of that EP and usually have fun with it when getting a Natops check or in syllabus. "Oh, something is wrong with the motor and I could just land, but OH, let's run through all the steps before I can figure out something is wrong with the motor!" Like several of the EPs with helos, there really aren't "steps" per se, but things you have to do at roughly the same time. I think that gets lost on some and that it really doesn't matter if I "stop acceleration/do not reduce" or vice versa.
 
lowflier03

lowflier03

So no $hit there I was
pilot
Having experienced almost every emergency in the book at this point, I'm a big fan of the common sense approach. I'll hold to the "sound judgment" argument and let the guys with 6 months of time to discuss the problem and advanced warning in a sim try and tell me how they would have handled it...
 
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MasterBates

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I got yelled at for bringing an E-2 back all iced up, without climbing up (to where the icing was really bad) and doing a controllability check.

I invoked "sound judgment" and people (to include "The Man") were surprisingly cool with it. (save the lone Hinge-FO who bitched)
 
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