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A Specific FAA Military Competency Question

81montedriver

Well-Known Member
pilot
The Coastal Bend site was pretty spot on. Out of 50 question on the actual exam, there were only about 3 or 4 that were not on the gouge. Read it over a few times and you should easily score in the 90's.
 

JD81

FUBIJAR
pilot
The Coastal Bend site was pretty spot on. Out of 50 question on the actual exam, there were only about 3 or 4 that were not on the gouge. Read it over a few times and you should easily score in the 90's.

Coastal Bend gouge will get you a 96%.
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
Here's a slightly related question. For those of us who already hold CSEL certs, how do we add-on the multi/CL-thrust?
 

Banjo33

AV-8 Type
pilot
Take your natops jacket and log books to your local FSDO office. Simple and painless. I added mine back in July, but hadn't flown ME since 2003.
 

firefriendly

Member
pilot
You can also get the centerline thrust restriction removed if you go get a multi-engine check out with an FAA inspector/check airman (not just a CFI/CFII). After that, your accrued multi-engine time in the Hornet/Rhino counts as unrestricted multi-engine time. Sounded like it would cost around 200-400 bucks.

Anyone know the process for getting a CFI?
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
Anyone know the process for getting a CFI?

http://www.sheppardair.com/

There's a whole thread about it too. I haven't had a chance to pursue it yet, but one of these days...

Short version...or at least as of 6 months ago...one test for each rating. So, for example, I would have to take 4 tests: CFI FW, CFI RW, CFII FW, CFII RW. Still, pretty easy once you get through the tests, you just show up to the FSDO w/ all your paperwork...or so they say.
 

HuggyU2

Well-Known Member
None
After that, your accrued multi-engine time in the Hornet/Rhino counts as unrestricted multi-engine time.
What do are you talking about? If you are saying your F-18 time counts as non-CL thrust, not true. Is that what you mean by "unrestricted multi-engine time"?
Example: I want go fly the OV-10 for CalFire. But they want applicants to have 400 hours of non-CL time. Now, I have an ATP for MEL and SEL... no CL thrust restriction. And I've got a lot of multi-time. But I don't have 400 hours of non-CL time.
Guess who won't get the job?

http://www.sheppardair.com/
Short version...or at least as of 6 months ago...one test for each rating. So, for example, I would have to take 4 tests: CFI FW, CFI RW, CFII FW, CFII RW.
Wrong.
One (1) test.
Only one.
It's called the MCI test. It's about $150. If you are an AOPA member, the testing facility might give you a discount if you have your AOPA number.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
Wrong.
One (1) test.
Only one.
It's called the MCI test. It's about $150. If you are an AOPA member, the testing facility might give you a discount if you have your AOPA number.

Thanks for the correction. Right before I left on deployment (which was the last time I checked the website), they said it was going to be separate tests. I guess they changed it again, which is good news. I'll have to dig into the website more, but I do wonder if one test to rule them all will give both a RW and FW CFII rating...
 

ryan1234

Well-Known Member
What do are you talking about? If you are saying your F-18 time counts as non-CL thrust, not true. Is that what you mean by "unrestricted multi-engine time"?

Friend of mine was a former hornet guy. He went and picked up an MEI, CFI and CFII at the FSDO. It was just one test total like you said - he said it did involve weird helicopter questions.

He was a former RAG IP... but he did fly the C-12 for a little bit, and got his ATP in the Navy through Flight Safety - but even though he instructed in hornets, his MEI doesn't have a Centerline Thrust limitation... I don't even know if instructor certificates can have limitations like that?
 

HAL Pilot

Well-Known Member
None
Contributor
He was a former RAG IP... but he did fly the C-12 for a little bit, and got his ATP in the Navy through Flight Safety - but even though he instructed in hornets, his MEI doesn't have a Centerline Thrust limitation... I don't even know if instructor certificates can have limitations like that?
Your instructor ratings take on any limitations your commercial/ATP have. So if you have a CL thrust limit on your CMEL, than you can only instruct in a CL thrust multi. But remember there are also other MEI limits: 5 hours make & model, if a type rating is required for the aircraft then the MEI has to have the type rating, etc.

And before it comes up....an ATP can only instruct (without holding any instructor tickets) in a FAA approved training program for a commercial operator by which he is employed. Also the FAA has to agree to his designation as a check airman/company instructor. So this really only applies to 121, 125 & 135 operators.
 

firefriendly

Member
pilot
What do are you talking about?

My mistake if that was bum gouge. Based on what the inspector at the FAA was telling me, after you get (or have) a multi-engine rating, you can have the CL thrust restriction on your certificate removed. Are you saying I can't count my ME time in the rhino as ME time, even if my certificate says I have my MEL?
 

HuggyU2

Well-Known Member
None
... but I do wonder if one test to rule them all will give both a RW and FW CFII rating...
As I posted above, one test. Call your FSDO or Sheppard Air and ask them.

Ryan, Hal: there never used to be a "Non-CL restriction" on Instructor Certificates. This was implemented because of the FAA's gnashing of teeth over military aviators getting a CFI with only Hornet, F-15, T-38, etc.. MEL experience.

However, it is gone now. They issued a new policy that means you will NOT get your MEI unless you can show you've done military instruction in a non-CL thrust aircraft. If your local FSDO gives you one based on your Hornet time, good for you... they goofed up. However, the FAA does not consider the Hornet to be non-CL thrust.

Firefriendly: your Pilot License will have MEL on it. If you got that rating in the Hornet, you will be restricted to CL thrust (FSDO error notwithstanding). But, yes, you are a multi-engine pilot, and can log it for airline time, bar-bragging rights, etc... However, it is not "centerline thrust time". If you have the CL restriction, you will need to go get an checkride in a civilian aircraft that qualifies, to have it removed. I had it done when I got my ATP.
 

teabag53

Registered User
pilot
Shame-less Sheppard Air plug:

If you are an IP and want CFI I strongly reccomend kicking out the $50 for their test prep. I used it and about 6 hours of studying yeilded an easily passed exam. Customer service was great.
 
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