FY 18 IWC DCO BOARD

[devilbones]

Only one of these is for 2017 I believer the others are for 2015

They are the latest from the Reserve OCM.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Ok, so apparently I checked the National Science Foundation (NSF) Approved STEM major fields and (Communications) is one of them. So now it makes sense why they said I would be suited for IP mixed with my OS, and experience with software....I read online that (IP Professionals are Communications Officers) Thoughts?

The USN determines what they deem as STEM, and for the USN it is degrees that include calc and physics. I think that what you do led them to think IP but again, how will you stack up against those with the same background but they have CS degrees? I think your best bet is Intel.

A former colleague of mine is an IP officer, it is all computers such as updates, network administration, repair, etc.... no communications, unless you are talking about email.

 

[bubblehead]

You are going to do little, if any, technical work in the ReServe as an IP. Especially at the O3 and below level. Your competence is judged by your collar device. It does not matter how many degrees or certifications you have. These only matter for purposes of the DCO program.

I don't want to discourage anyone and only want to let you know the reality on the ground.

 

[USNAVY]

The USN determines what they deem as STEM, and for the USN it is degrees that include calc and physics. I think that what you do led them to think IP but again, how will you stack up against those with the same background but they have CS degrees? I think your best bet is Intel.

A former colleague of mine is an IP officer, it is all computers such as updates, network administration, repair, etc.... no communications, unless you are talking about email.

I agree with you 100%. I am just trying to do some research because they thought I was more suited for IP. And I am trying to figure out why. Believe me I know they only pick 7-10 people and I don't stack up with them

 

[USNAVY]

You are going to do little, if any, technical work in the ReServe as an IP. Especially at the O3 and below level. Your competence is judged by your collar device. It does not matter how many degrees or certifications you have. These only matter for purposes of the DCO program.

I don't want to discourage anyone and only want to let you know the reality on the ground.

One of my buddies who is currently an INTEL Reserve told me you can have all of the certs and degrees in the world, but if you don't have good leadership experience, don't interview well or get a good endorsement none of that will matter..I feel I should at least be encouraged that they said what they said. They could have just said nothing and not give me a good endorsement. I don't know the scores yet btw

 

[bubblehead]

The Navy hypes the DCO program telling people that to be competitive, you need STEM degrees and certs. In reality, this sh*t does not matter whatsoever. It's a sham. It's like Ivy law schools advertising that they only accept people who score X on the LSAT.

For the most part in the Reserve, your competence is predicated on your rank regardless of your civilian credentials. If any Reserve IP tells you that they are "operational" or do "hands on keyboard" work, listen with caution. As a Reserve IP, you will never be "touching" any keyboard for anything of importance at NSA, NRO, or other command that I have seen.

And, when you MOB as a Reserve IP you will 99% of the time be doing COMMS.

 

[USNAVY]

The Navy hypes the DCO program telling people that to be competitive, you need STEM degrees and certs. In reality, this sh*t does not matter whatsoever. It's a sham. It's like Ivy law schools advertising that they only accept people who score X on the LSAT.

For the most part in the Reserve, your competence is predicated on your rank regardless of your civilian credentials. If any Reserve IP tells you that they are "operational" or do "hands on keyboard" work, listen with caution.

As a Reserve IP, you will never be "touching" any keyboard for anything of importance at NSA, NRO, or other command that I have seen.

And, when you MOB as a Reserve IP you will 99% of the time be doing COMMS.

What is your def of COMMS? I was thinking the same thing as I know officers are hands off. From your personal opinion do you think it was encouraging they said what they said. I mean they were 2 O-5s and one O-4 both O-5s one who was the OIC even told me I was more suited for IP. I would hope they weren't blowing smoke. So now I am in a pickle on which I should make my number one choice. Because more than likely I will be applying again. Does it matter which one you number one if you reapply? For example INTEL one this time and then INEL 2 next time? Do you need to keep the same number one to be considered "consistent" Need some advice..

 

[bubblehead]

What is your def of COMMS? I was thinking the same thing as I know officers are hands off. From your personal opinion do you think it was encouraging they said what they said. I mean they were 2 O-5s and one O-4 both O-5s one who was the OIC even told me I was more suited for IP. I would hope they weren't blowing smoke. So now I am in a pickle on which I should make my number one choice. New some advice..

COMMS == military communications:

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/icmc-course-intro-admin-2225120

https://www.rallypoint.com/military-schools/information-communications-manager-course-icmc


Just get commissioned in whichever designator for which you are most competitive. If they are telling you IP then go for IP.

 

[USNAVY]

COMMS == military communications:

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/icmc-course-intro-admin-2225120

https://www.rallypoint.com/military-schools/information-communications-manager-course-icmc


Just get commissioned in whichever designator for which you are most competitive. If they are telling you IP then go for IP.

I operated some COMMS as an Operations Specialist and my masters is in Communications. I am going for (Intel,IP,IW) just not sure which one to put first and not sure if I would be considered a "consistant" applicant if I switched it up next time (IP,Intel,IW) for example

 

[jagM3]

What is your def of COMMS? I was thinking the same thing as I know officers are hands off. From your personal opinion do you think it was encouraging they said what they said. I mean they were 2 O-5s and one O-4 both O-5s one who was the OIC even told me I was more suited for IP. I would hope they weren't blowing smoke. So now I am in a pickle on which I should make my number one choice. Because more than likely I will be applying again. Does it matter which one you number one if you reapply? For example INTEL one this time and then INEL 2 next time? Do you need to keep the same number one to be considered "consistent" Need some advice..

I wouldn't be encouraged -- they effectively said you are more suited for a designator that takes about 7 people a year and those IP applicants typically are already doing high level IP work with all the competitive certs and IP experience. The interviewers each write a short narrative on what they think about you, which the board will read on top of their scores. If each narrative says you are "better suited for IP" we like to call that a velvet dagger and the message to the board is effectively "do not select this person for Intel."

You don't have an Intel, foreign policy, or national security background nor do you have any degrees that are related to those areas or would be sought after by CNIFR, and I think calling a communications degree STEM is a pretty big leap.

If you are dead set on becoming an 1835, I would consider reenlisting in the reserves coming in at your previous rank, changing your rate to IS, volunteering for a mob, and reapplying at that point. With your current education and experience, short of doing this I just don't see selection as viable in the near term.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I wouldn't be encouraged -- they effectively said you are more suited for a designator that takes about 7 people a year and those IP applicants typically are already doing high level IP work with all the competitive certs and IP experience. The interviewers each write a short narrative on what they think about you, which the board will read on top of their scores. If each narrative says you are "better suited for IP" we like to call that a velvet dagger and the message to the board is effectively "do not select this person for Intel."

You don't have an Intel, foreign policy, or national security background nor do you have any degrees that are related to those areas or would be sought after by CNIFR, and I think calling a communications degree STEM is a pretty big leap.

If you are dead set on becoming an 1835, I would consider reenlisting in the reserves coming in at your previous rank, changing your rate to IS, volunteering for a mob, and reapplying at that point. With your current education and experience, short of doing this I just don't see selection as viable in the near term.

We've (myself and @NavyOffRec ) been explaining this to him the past few weeks.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

The Navy hypes the DCO program telling people that to be competitive, you need STEM degrees and certs. In reality, this sh*t does not matter whatsoever. It's a sham. It's like Ivy law schools advertising that they only accept people who score X on the LSAT.

There is what you need to get selected and then there is actually doing the job, those 2 are not necessarily the same, pretty much like many civilian jobs, it would be nice if they were the same though.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

One of my buddies who is currently an INTEL Reserve told me you can have all of the certs and degrees in the world, but if you don't have good leadership experience, don't interview well or get a good endorsement none of that will matter..I feel I should at least be encouraged that they said what they said. They could have just said nothing and not give me a good endorsement. I don't know the scores yet btw

correct, for several years if you didn't get 10's on the endorsements you didn't have a chance no matter how good your background was, and even then only a few of those with 10's would actually get selected.

 

[USNAVY]

I wouldn't be encouraged -- they effectively said you are more suited for a designator that takes about 7 people a year and those IP applicants typically are already doing high level IP work with all the competitive certs and IP experience. The interviewers each write a short narrative on what they think about you, which the board will read on top of their scores. If each narrative says you are "better suited for IP" we like to call that a velvet dagger and the message to the board is effectively "do not select this person for Intel."

You don't have an Intel, foreign policy, or national security background nor do you have any degrees that are related to those areas or would be sought after by CNIFR, and I think calling a communications degree STEM is a pretty big leap.

If you are dead set on becoming an 1835, I would consider reenlisting in the reserves coming in at your previous rank, changing your rate to IS, volunteering for a mob, and reapplying at that point. With your current education and experience, short of doing this I just don't see selection as viable in the near term.

My undergrad is in History. According to the PA my degree is one they prefer/accept. I currently do analytical work and I have a lot of leadership experience believe it or not. Them saying i'm more suited for IP may very well be a knock on me and a "nice" way of saying I wouldn't get selected for INTEL but NOT saying I wouldn't be an effective officer

 

[USNAVY]

correct, for several years if you didn't get 10's on the endorsements you didn't have a chance no matter how good your background was, and even then only a few of those with 10's would actually get selected.

I appreciate the feedback. But aren't they REALLY evaluating the PERSON to see if they would be an effective naval officer? Regardless of how many Phd's someone has. I am wondering what my chances are of getting all 10s.. What if they saw a great officer in me, just not for INTEL lol