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DCOIC Gouge for those about to commission as a DCO
- Thread starter bubblehead
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DO NOT EVER BRING UP YOUR RESERVE SERVICE OR STATUS DURING THE JOB HUNTING PROCESS. EVER. ALSO, DO NOT ADVERTISE IT ON LINKEDIN. DON'T EVEN BRING IT UP OR TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT.
Honestly. Read and heed. Most companies will say they are Veteran/Reserve friendly but, in reality, they are not.
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9000% agreed. Exactly what I wrote against in my last couple comments. I mentioned it to this recruiter from some random company I had no interest in purely to prove it to myself by means of experiment (also not looking for a job).
I very much appreciate you laying it down explicitly (in caps and bold) because there's no doubt there's many reservists and National Guardsmen who don't know better and may come across this forum and your post.
So for example, you get hired and then a few weeks later you say "oh ya btw i am in the reserves"? Seems like that company would instantly lose trust in you after that...
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I fully understand and ruminate at length about this concern. But unless specifically asked or pertinent, I don't feel it should be what the interviews are about.
"Oh yeah, I play in a competitive amateur soccer league and regularly travel."
"Oh yeah, I very frequently take sick days with no advance notice because I and my kids are always getting sick in staggered intervals."
"Oh yeah, I have cancer and will be starting chemo and other treatments soon."
"Oh yeah, I'm having a surgery or even something cosmetic like a nose job and need to take the next few months off for medical LOA."
"Oh yeah, I take 4-8 weeks to my old country every year to visit family along with other vacations."
"Oh yeah, I plan to pop out 3-5 babies at 1.5 year intervals so I'll barely be here and neither will my hubby who also happens to work here."
"Oh yeah, I'm getting gender transition surgeries and treatment and recovery for the next few years."
I could go on and on.
Does anyone ever mention any of this in interviews? I've never heard of such a thing personally. It's not what interviews are about. I've yet to hear about someone thinking of an applicant not discussing those things as being untrustworthy.
Why is taking a couple weeks off a year, or worst case less than a year if the world's on fire, cause for losing trust but not taking months off for reasons that can be described as leisure, vanity, selfishness, or serious illness? And would you really want to work for someone who sees serving your country as sinister, untrustworthy, and dishonorable compared to someone having trouble figuring out what genitalia they want?
Like ABMD, I work at a large corporation that has the benefits he described. It's also very huge on "diversity" as most companies in my industry are. But while it's very big on things like racial and gender diversity, it's not keen on building its military diversity. In fact I'd go so far to say a lot of the US-based employees don't view the military positively.
Just my take. But I'd rather not discuss extraneous details in interviews, get hired, and prove myself to be a valuable employee, rather than get immediately rejected for no other reason than HR or hiring managers who may or may not be scared by something they know nothing about. It's taking a gamble in the latter scenario, and I don't like gambling.
Or better yet, you can say everyone is dishonest for job hunting while currently employed and not telling anyone until their 2 week notice. It's so excessively common, it's become a social norm and such "dishonesty" is simply part of the game.
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As someone said on Linkedin, your company would replace you in a week if you dropped dead tomorrow, so take care of yourself.
I put my reserve service on my resume because I honestly think it’s a selling point in my field and, if a potential employer fails to think that way, well screw em - it’s their loss and I probably wouldn’t have enjoyed working there anyway.
I put my reserve service on my resume because I honestly think it’s a selling point in my field and, if a potential employer fails to think that way, well screw em - it’s their loss and I probably wouldn’t have enjoyed working there anyway.
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When I stated YMMV, I wasn't kidding.
Defense is arguably the safest industry in which you can be as a reservist. It will be a very cold day in hell before defense companies discriminate against the military. It would make no sense. But apply to a tech company, and pray in the off chance you get set up with some understanding and pro-military people if you're going to talk about your service up front.I often muse about going the defense route if I don't continue to survive the regular layoffs at my current job because defense tech interests me and I know I'd be safe. In contrast, when I told the few people I had to tell in my department as part of my application that I was applying, there was uneasiness and a bit of panic (and the ghosting situation from just a couple days ago).
Bring the right strategy depending on the table. That consistent royal flush at Lockheed Martin maybe be a high card or a two pair at best at Apple.
NO. IT IS NOT RELEVANT. SO LONG AS YOU DISCLOSED IT ON YOUR OFFICIAL JOB APPLICATION FORM. YOUR RESUME AND LINKEDIN DO NOT COUNT.
A boss (a C-level) at a previous employer of mine where I had been working for less than a month asked me what I was doing over the weekend, I made the mistake of mentioning Reserve duty (my f*ck up as I could have said, "nothing much"). Mind you, I listed Reserve on my official job application and it was vaguely listed on my resume. My bosses response, "I had no idea you were in the Reserve." I was terminated "at will" shortly thereafter during my third week of employment. Said employer also paid me a rather large sign on-bonus that had a clawback clause (repayment) that stated that I would have to repay the bonus if I quit or was fired for cause within 2 years. I kept my sign-on bonus and claimed unemployment, which was not denied by the empoyer.
BLUF: I have no evidence to prove that it was because of what I said about my Reserve status (I was kicking butt, had approved travel, and the boss was delegating stuff to me that was outside my actual job), but the timing was extremely suspicious.
Take care of yourself and only tell your employer what you are obligated to tell them (USERRA).
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Defense contractors and very large banks (e.g., Citi, JPMorgan) are some of the few exceptions.
What company was it?
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I would say the timing was dead obvious. No one fires someone after 3 weeks unless there's something so revolting and reprehensible about them that they need to be rid of ASAP. To get fired in 3 weeks, you'd have to take a dump on everyone's desks or something like that. What stopped you from submitting a USERRA claim? Or is USERRA so weak in its protections that you need an email from your boss in hand saying "I fired bubblehead because he in the Navy Reserve"?
Either way, that boss is a POS and nothing else. I bet he's the "take as many months off as you need for kids/newborns, surgical recovery, vacation/travel a year as you need, but GTFO if you have anything to do with the military" type. Lots of people really despise or are at best apathetic towards the military and military service.
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I received a sizable sign-on bonus that was not clawed back. And, I started a 1099 gig shortly thereafter. So, I did not suffer any real damages. Also, I cannot prove that it was because of my Reserve status that I was terminated "at will."
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