V/r vs. R/

[Jim123]

about 15 years ago one of the LCDR's a senior guy, in our department rec'd an email from a department YN and he put R instead or V/R, instead of talking to him about the error he lost his shit on the YN3, bad for the LCDR and good for the YN3 the Dept head heard it, so the the LCDR rec'd a 1 on 1 with the Dept Head.

Well, that's one way to solve a problem.

When I was a brand new ENS, I was walking along the sidewalk on base when some old guy in uniform was coming the other way. I squinted to figure out his rank symbol and I was being a little slow in the head. The old guy didn't miss a beat and he initiaded a smart salute about six paces away, give or take. I saluted back, then noticed his eagles... and learning occurred. Well played sir, wherever you are these days. You didn't even have to say a thing and I still remember that lesson.

 

[xj220]

I type it out, no VR or R. That’s just lazy. If it’s a peer or someone I know then I just use my callsign. I’ll use my callsign with most people though.

 

[wink]

In my world, I answer all phone calls with "Yes dear" and sign all emails xoxo. Keeps me out of trouble with the only one that matters.

 

[Criminal]

I refuse to do either. It's as dumb as answering the duty phone with the standard "how may I help you ma'am or sir. "
Almost as meaningful and professional as keeping you wallet in your sock.

This is the important shit.

 

[Pags]

Or perhaps people use the signature feature in Outlook....

Or maybe senior people have better things to worry about than the correspondence manual.
Pags sends*


*If you want to go all old school message traffic

 

[RedFive]

It's as dumb as answering the duty phone with the standard "how may I help you ma'am or sir.

I hate this. +1

 

[xj220]

This is how I prefer to answer the phone:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ce728946-9264-472b-b8b5-18c92c3cd43d

 

[UInavy]

Dude, the correspondence manual says "suggested, not inclusive":

c. Complimentary Closing. The following list of suggested complimentary closings for email communication is not all inclusive: “Sincerely yours” or “With great respect” (Civilians) “Respectfully” (Junior in rank to signer), and “Very respectfully” (Senior in rank to signer). “Respectfully” and “Very respectfully” may be abbreviated in a reply to an initial e-mail (“V/r,” and “R/,”).

If you have that much spare energy to devote to this, either re-direct it to something more important (like getting us Slack) or re-evaluate what you find important.

With Great Warm Respect/ Verily,

 

[Gatordev]

R/ when addressing juniors and V/R when addressing seniors and most civilians. That is the standard. That said, if someone turns a deviation from said standard into a significant emotional event, then their priorities need to be reexamined.

This is how I was taught and what I always followed up until recently, although I used "V/R," and "R,". What I noticed was that O4s and above who weren't put in triad leadership positions (OIC or CO) would continue to sign their emails "R/" but O4s and above put in triad positions (CO, XO, OIC) started signing their email "V/R," out of respect for what their people do for them. Of course this isn't 100% either way, but it was something I started noticing once my peers were O5s.

 

[CommodoreMid]

Fun fact, answer the phone fast with a "how may I help you super man?" and no one will know you didn't say sir or ma'am. Granted, I think that phone greeting is dumb to begin with, but was just a game we played on my shore duty job for office entertainment.

 

[AULANI]

Well, that's one way to solve a problem.

When I was a brand new ENS, I was walking along the sidewalk on base when some old guy in uniform was coming the other way. I squinted to figure out his rank symbol and I was being a little slow in the head. The old guy didn't miss a beat and he initiaded a smart salute about six paces away, give or take. I saluted back, then noticed his eagles... and learning occurred. Well played sir, wherever you are these days. You didn't even have to say a thing and I still remember that lesson.

I was on Kadena Air Base and leaving the hangar. I walked by this Air Force guy who was leaning over trying to fix something in the engine of his car. He didn't have his cover on and I couldn't tell what rank he was since half his body was inside the hood of his car. As I passed him I hear him yell "I guess they don't teach you Navy guys to salute officers..." I turn around and now I see the LT bars on his uniform. I say "sorry about that sir" and salute him, then continue on my way.

What a douche nozzle.

 

[Angry]

I was on Kadena Air Base and leaving the hangar. I walked by this Air Force guy who was leaning over trying to fix something in the engine of his car. He didn't have his cover on and I couldn't tell what rank he was since half his body was inside the hood of his car. As I passed him I hear him yell "I guess they don't teach you Navy guys to salute officers..." I turn around and now I see the LT bars on his uniform. I say "sorry about that sir" and salute him, then continue on my way.

What a douche nozzle.

I'm all for abiding by the rules of deferrence and precedence, but if someone is knowingly in a position where their rank insignia isn't visible, this reaction is ridiculous. This type of person is the same sort of Jabroni that visits the NEX at Pensacola every day so he can wear out his shoulder receiving salutes from flight school bubbas and junior Marines. You undoubtedly did the correct thing protocol wise, but I would have been sorely tempted to tell Francis to lighten up and just keep walking. After all, JOPA doesn't salute each other or call each other Sir. Unless you're a SWO in Norfolk...

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Well, that's one way to solve a problem.

When I was a brand new ENS, I was walking along the sidewalk on base when some old guy in uniform was coming the other way. I squinted to figure out his rank symbol and I was being a little slow in the head. The old guy didn't miss a beat and he initiaded a smart salute about six paces away, give or take. I saluted back, then noticed his eagles... and learning occurred. Well played sir, wherever you are these days. You didn't even have to say a thing and I still remember that lesson.

I was a brand to the USN, in "A" school and saw khaki's coming my way, finally close enough I recognized the bars on the piss cutter but to add confusion he had MCPO anchors on the collar, so I saluted, he stopped me and said Fireman why are you saluting me? you are the 3rd/4th whatever person to salute me!, I said "you have LT bars on your cover", next thing was the funniest as he grabbed the cover and looked at it said "god damn it I took the LT's cover! He looked at me said thanks, then went back to the "A" school building and this less confused Fireman continued on.

 

[nittany03]

It's as dumb as answering the duty phone with the standard "how may I help you ma'am or sir. "

EFFF that shit. “I could have ended the sentence after ‘how may I help you,’ but I feel it’s important you know I give so little of a shit that I don’t even care what your gender is. Also, I’m going to ‘sir’ AND ‘ma’am’ you before even finding out if you’re an officer in the first place.”

 

[nittany03]

I'm all for abiding by the rules of deferrence and precedence, but if someone is knowingly in a position where their rank insignia isn't visible, this reaction is ridiculous. This type of person is the same sort of Jabroni that visits the NEX at Pensacola every day so he can wear out his shoulder receiving salutes from flight school bubbas and junior Marines. You undoubtedly did the correct thing protocol wise, but I would have been sorely tempted to tell Francis to lighten up and just keep walking. After all, JOPA doesn't salute each other or call each other Sir. Unless you're a SWO in Norfolk...

If you’re in JOPA and you’re calling anyone below the rank of O-5 “sir,” you’re doing it wrong. Butthurt blackshoes exempted on a case-by-case basis, depending on the ensuing ass-pain or career damage.

/R,
A damn dirty hinge