SELRES Prior Enlisted Pay After Commissioning

[justheretocreep]

Hey everyone,

So before I get bombarded with the "Use your search function" posts I have to say I've been trying to research this extensively and the issue I'm coming across is different answers and opinions on the topic as well as outdated information (posts from like 2003). So this post is hopefully to achieve some clarity on the issue not just for me but anyone else in my situation. I already spoke to my NOSC about this as well and even they were unsure.

So I'm currently a weekend warrior drilling reservist who just got picked up for OCS. I have not received my FINSEL yet so I do not know when I am leaving, but I do know my command posted my release date for September 30, so I'll leave sometime after that which means I'll be in OCS for my 6 year mark which is in January. This is where my search gets hazy. I have never been active duty, I joined just straight reserves so all 6 years have been weekend warrior reserve time. I'm trying to get clarity on 2 things.

1) The hot topic of O1E pay. The issue I've been having finding a proper answer is people arguing over the difference between "Active Duty Service" and "Active Service". The best thing I have found so far I pulled from another website which they claim to have pulled right from the guidelines in which it states “Such prior service includes all active service, in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both (i.e., active duty for training in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and full-time National Guard duty). Service on active duty or active and inactive duty for training for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfies the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.”. This appears to answer my question, stating that I should get O1E as my 6 years of "Active Service" time is over the required 4 year mark. However searching through AW I have seen people mention reserve time DOES NOT count. Hopefully you can see where my confusion is coming from and hopefully someone can clarify this. I have also seen the argument of difference in time served and reserve points for O1E pay. Some claim that you need the required 1460 points and some say you do not if you have the time in. Basically, long story short, can anyone shed light on if I should in fact get the O1E pay with 6 years active reserve time even though I am under the 1460 points (I have like 800 points). Most people who post on here have Active Duty AND Reserve time so I could not find a real answer to my situation.

2) I am 99% sure I know the answer to this, but even if I do not get O1E pay I should still get O1 pay with over 6 years correct? Longevity pay is simply years of service with no break, as I understand, so I should get at least my > 6 year pay, right?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

What will happen is they will look at all your time, figure out how much actual AD time you have including drill weekends and that is what will count, I doubt you have more than 4 based on what you said.

You don't want to have happen to a friend of mine who did AD and SELRES time (current AD), he was expecting to retire in a few months, he submitted his papers, they accepted them, then came back and said oops, they counted his reserve time wrong, so while he has 24 for pay he only has 18 for pay, so no retirement for him, and he just rec'd orders back to a ship.

 

[justheretocreep]

What will happen is they will look at all your time, figure out how much actual AD time you have including drill weekends and that is what will count, I doubt you have more than 4 based on what you said.

You don't want to have happen to a friend of mine who did AD and SELRES time (current AD), he was expecting to retire in a few months, he submitted his papers, they accepted them, then came back and said oops, they counted his reserve time wrong, so while he has 24 for pay he only has 18 for pay, so no retirement for him, and he just rec'd orders back to a ship.

I doubt I do too, but for an extra 300 a month I"m definitely going to ask the question. Besides losing out on money I definitely don't want to lose out on a planned retirement such as your friend, thank you for the response!

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

You need to have four years of active time added up in order to get O-1E pay. So between drills and AT having four years total.

 

[justheretocreep]

You need to have four years of active time added up in order to get O-1E pay. So between drills and AT having four years total.

Thanks RUFiO!

 

[Gatordev]

You need to have four years of active time added up in order to get O-1E pay. So between drills and AT having four years total.

But that doesn't completely answer his question. Assuming he's had at least 4 good years at 50 points each, he's had 4 years of service, but not 4 years of ACTIVE time. So is that still good for O-1E pay? I don't know the answer, but your two sentences, while both correct, aren't necessarily congruent. It's an interesting question, but one I have to believe has been answered a few hundred times in the past.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

But that doesn't completely answer his question. Assuming he's had at least 4 good years at 50 points each, he's had 4 years of service, but not 4 years of ACTIVE time. So is that still good for O-1E pay? I don't know the answer, but your two sentences, while both correct, aren't necessarily congruent. It's an interesting question, but one I have to believe has been answered a few hundred times in the past.

The OP needs to have four years of ACTIVE DUTY service in order to receive O-1E pay. For someone who's been SELRES for 6 years, he more than likely has about 9-12 months of active duty service when all his ATs and schooling get added up.

Hope this makes better sense...

 

[Jim123]

The OP needs to have four years of ACTIVE DUTY service in order to receive O-1E pay. For someone who's been SELRES for 6 years, he more than likely has about 9-12 months of active duty service when all his ATs and schooling get added up.

Hope this makes better sense...

So you're saying he'll be an O-1 with 6 on the pay chart, as opposed to O-1E with 6, or O-1anything with <2... I think...

 

[justheretocreep]

So you're saying he'll be an O-1 with 6 on the pay chart, as opposed to O-1E with 6, or O-1anything with <2... I think...

I was active duty for boot camp and A-school, which was 9 months. Then including my AT's the past 6 years will add another couple months so my total active duty time is probably not even 2 years. For a straight SELRES to achieve the 4 year active duty mark they either need to deploy often or just be a SELRES for like 16 years. I will not be hitting the 4 year mark however my 6 years of SELRES does count towards my pay longevity so I'll essentially be O-1 over 6 years, which is a maxed out 0-1. I'll be maxed out until I reach 0-3, which I'm not upset about

 

[bubblehead]

FYSA for others... The requirement for O-1E is 4 years and 1 day of Active Service or 1,460 Reserve Points*

Check your ASOSH from BUPERS Online which will give you your total years of service for pay purposes as well as your total points.







*DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A, Chapter 1

 

[justheretocreep]

FYSA for others... The requirement for O-1E is 4 years and 1 day of Active Service or 1,460 Reserve Points*

Check your ASOSH from BUPERS Online which will give you your total years of service for pay purposes as well as your total points.







*DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A, Chapter 1

I checked my ASOSH this past weekend over drill to see my points. I'm at like 800 points now, but total years was at 5, which will be 6 come January. So are you saying I'll get O1E pay because my Active Service on ASOSH will say 6 years? because that is Active Service, not Active Duty. This is the problem I've been having, this goes against @RUFiO181 who says Active Duty time is what counts not Active Service time.

 

[Gatordev]

You need to find the Navy's definition of "Active Service." I would guess you could find it in the pub bubblehead mentioned.

To me it sounds like you're eligible for O-1 >6, but I don't have the definition on hand to confirm.

 

[bubblehead]

I checked my ASOSH this past weekend over drill to see my points. I'm at like 800 points now, but total years was at 5, which will be 6 come January. So are you saying I'll get O1E pay because my Active Service on ASOSH will say 6 years? because that is Active Service, not Active Duty. This is the problem I've been having, this goes against @RUFiO181 who says Active Duty time is what counts not Active Service time.

From my interpretation you would not qualify for O-1E.

It's all in here"DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A, Chapter 1

Section 0102 CREDITABLE SERVICE, 010201. Service Which is Creditable, paragraph D.12.b

b. For enlistments entered into on or after November 29, 1989:

(1). A period of enlisted service in a Reserve Component under 10 U.S.C. § 12103(b) or (d), including inactive service under a DEP, is creditable service only if the member performs Inactive Duty Training (IDT) before beginning active duty or an initial period of ADT; or

(2). Service performed as an enlisted member in a Reserve Component under 10 U.S.C. § 513, other than a period of active duty, is not creditable service;

Section 0102 CREDITABLE SERVICE, 010203. Active Enlisted and/or Warrant Officer Service for Members in Basic Pay Grades O-1E, O-2E, or O-3E, paragraph A. Service Counted

1. General. Commissioned officers with over 4 years of prior active service as an enlisted member, warrant officer, or combined service in both grades are entitled to count such service for purposes of computing basic pay for longevity purposes. Such prior service includes all active service, in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both (i.e., ADT in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and full-time National Guard duty). Service on active duty or ADT and IDT for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfy the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.

2. Creditable Prior Enlisted Service. Commissioned officers in pay grades O-1, O-2, or O-3 who are credited with over 4 years (i.e., at least 4 years and 1 day) of prior active service as an enlisted member are entitled to the special rate of basic pay for pay grade O-1E, O-2E, or O-3E.

 

[justheretocreep]

From my interpretation you would not qualify for O-1E.

It's all in here"DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A, Chapter 1

I'd have to concur with your interpretation in that I would not qualify as my days between drill/AT do not count per the above pub, only my drills/AT/ADT etc... count towards the over 4 years if I'm reading that correctly which is was RUFiO was saying and makes perfect sense. I do however believe I qualify for 01 > 6 as my total active service time does seem to count towards longevity pay as I have not had a break in service. Does that interpretation seem correct?

 

[bubblehead]

II do however believe I qualify for 01 > 6 as my total active service time does seem to count towards longevity pay as I have not had a break in service. Does that interpretation seem correct?

Correct. You would be compensated as an O-1 with more than 6 years.