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Football season cometh.

Which conference will have the National Champion?


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jmcquate

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Grew up a Buckeye fan (my dad's an OSU grad). Got a feeling that they are going to have off the field problems this year.........that's the Urban way. I'm a Cinnci fan and the new conference structures means a Div 1 team like the Bearcats can go undefeated and not even be considered for the playoffs.
 

nittany03

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Grew up a Buckeye fan (my dad's an OSU grad). Got a feeling that they are going to have off the field problems this year.........that's the Urban way. I'm a Cinnci fan and the new conference structures means a Div 1 team like the Bearcats can go undefeated and not even be considered for the playoffs.
Eh . . . I think Urbz has done a decent job in that arena so far at OSU. I could give Cardale Jones shit about the "didn't come to play school" tweet, but he seems to have grown up. I mean you're going to have the same level of shenanigans in a D-1 program as a squadron, with the added bonus of news media all up in your grill.

Big Ten East is going to be scary good in the next few seasons.
 

Flash

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...First off, one of the people Joe reported it to, though not a sworn law enforcement officer himself, was the direct superior of the Chief of Penn State Police. The PSU Police are not just rent-a-cops, but a fully-sworn municipal law enforcement agency. Yes, this individual is under indictment. The mystery is what happened from there, but even if they had notified Sandusky's charity, that organization would have been required, as the PSU president also was, to notify the cops.... Paterno, by all accounts who've mentioned it, was utterly terrified of discussing sex; he was an 80-year-old Jesuit-raised Catholic, and a prude even by those standards. It's easy to sit here and say "it's a textbook case." What actually happened, sadly, was a fucked-up game of "telephone" as to who saw what and heard what from who...Anyone in this sorry saga who was "part of the program" fessed up immediately and reported it to people whose legal duty was to contact the authorities. That is what the law in PA required be done, as written at the time.

The reason it is a 'textbook' case is because while almost everyone in this case did what they were legally obligated they then did nothing more, and when nothing official subsequently happened (an investigation, a police report, etc) no one questioned it. A minor is possibly sexually abused, I report it up the chain and I don't get questioned, see an investigation or inquiry or see anything happen to the possible perpetrator? You don't think as his de facto boss I am not going to wonder what the hell is going on? Or, just in case, put some sort of measures in place to make sure that there isn't a possibility it doesn't happen again in my own 'house'? There were no internal restrictions or sanctions against Sandusky, who was still allowed to utilize school facilities for many years afterwards.

I don't care if it wasn't clear what exactly happened but the witness to the event was disturbed enough to report it, and when it went up the chain of command no one did anything more than what they had to legally. What about their moral and ethical responsibilities? Not their problem apparently. I also don't care if Paterno was a prude when it came to sex, the incident was so far outside the norm it should have raised a red flag for anyone who knew about it. Almost everyone's reaction was a fundamental failure of leadership, period. I actually sympathize with some of the folks involved, including Paterno, but it does not excuse their appalling inaction.

...It doesn't excuse the response, but a board of trustees issuing a decision that controversial on a Friday night at any alcohol-fuelled state school was beyond stupid. So there's that. That said, this is a school with over 40,000 undergrads and over 550,000 living alumni....

Always a consideration when making critical crises management decisions...:rolleyes:

...The football program was central to the school's identity because of the way Joe Paterno ran the program. The mission statement in his own words was "Success with Honor." He preached the same thing from day one...This was "Penn State Culture." And still is to most alums. I don't care if you believe it or laugh at it. What matters is that we believed it, and largely still do....

And yet the football players were held to a different standard from the rest of the students even when it came to possible criminal activity, doesn't sound all that special to me.

...IMO, "the program" did nothing wrong. Anyone in this sorry saga who was "part of the program" fessed up immediately and reported it to people whose legal duty was to contact the authorities....But I reiterate: if it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. I'm sorry, I don't believe in collective punishment.

So, the football program was sanctioned pretty hard...*shrug*. Is it a critical part of the school's mission? Did it do any real harm the 99.9% of students not directly connected to the football program?

...Read the Gladwell article...Again, read the Gladwell article. Please. Sandusky set up shop in a town and under a boss who he could play like a fiddle, and did for years. Sandusky was one step down from Mother Teresa in the eyes of Pennsylvania. I know because I was there....

I read the article along time ago and just reread it, it is chilling how someone can get away with something like that for so long but society's failings by no means absolve individuals or institutions of their own to include Penn State and Paterno.
 
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wlawr005

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Something about orange and blue makes me wanna puke.

GaBulldoghavingGatorforLunch.jpg


Go Dawgs!
 

jmcquate

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What good is it being the starting QB of the No 1 ranked team if you can't even have a few cocktails and drive yourself back to the dorms on your bye week?
 

Randy Daytona

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And then there were 2. Clemson took care of Oklahoma and the SEC (insert team) destroyed the Big Ten (insert team). (Yes, I know Ohio beat the Tide last year, but that is the exception proves the rule example...)

Bama vs Clemson? The Tigers are legit - as my school's in-state rival it is difficult to say this but give credit where credit is due - Dabo will be around a long time. That said, the smart pill machine sees that the pachyderm herd is thundering downhill and will stomp anything in its path. Leonard's Loser - Clemson.

A voice from the past that many of us old guys down South will remember. The late, great Leonard Postero.
 

Randy Daytona

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2016 recruiting rankings are out. For the 6th year in a row, Alabama has the #1 recruiting class. The lucky 7:
1) Alabama
2) Florida State
3) LSU
4) Ohio
5) Michigan
6) Ole Miss
7) Georgia
 

Recovering LSO

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It's a lot easier to say "those other people swept it under the rug because football" than talk about how our society sadly and consistently fucks up dealing with that particular problem. That doesn't mean everyone in State College was blameless. But the media needed a scapegoat, it was us, and that was fucking wrong. Certainly not as wrong as what he got away with for so long, but still wrong.

Child told Paterno of sex abuse in 1976, court papers allege - PennLive

Sandusky Victim: Joe Paterno told me to drop abuse accusation - CNN

Because society?
 
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