USN The Slow Death Of The Carrier Air Wing - Or a CSAR Threadjack

[Pags]

It was in reference to the "Handler's Union", which I interpreted as the fight to reduce footprint on the deck. A buddy of mine who was on the Bon Homme Richard used to talk about how the footprint is out of control on LHDs with the F-35 replacing the Harrier (admittedly more of a problem in the hangar bay), and the V-22's crazy footprint- e.g. footprint is not trending down across all types of carrier. (Also interesting that the article in the OP didn't address LHA/LHDs at all.)

Apologies for the obscure reference.

All of TMS that make up an ACE are changing and all of them are getting bigger footprints to include HSC bringing three vice two H-60s. Part of the solution is the improved aviation facilities on the LPD-17s. HMLA Dets are supposed to go over there and live and help free up some space on the Death Star.

The hangar problem is a shared creep by all parties. Ships company, ACE, GCE, etc all like to bring more crap than they need because the space has always been there. As the airplanes get bigger the other folks will need to get smarter about what they bring.

The article is stupid. Hendrix is making a business out of picking at the CVN using arguments that make sense from his SWO perspective but aren't rigorous.

 

[BigRed389]

The article is stupid. Hendrix is making a business out of picking at the CVN using arguments that make sense from his SWO perspective but aren't rigorous.

Hendrix was a FLYING SWO.

MPRA type.

Most SWO types would likely support giving the CVW more reach, more capability. Reduces threats of all types the escort would have to deal with.

 

[IKE]

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Wait, where's the CSAR asset?

/end bearpoke

 

[Recovering LSO]

The article is stupid. Hendrix is making a business out of picking at the CVN using arguments that make sense from his SWO perspective but aren't rigorous.

Go back and read how his narratives have changed over the last 18-24 months as the political winds WRT ship building/numbers have changed. He's a guy looking for a job - and he fancies himself capable of the SECNAV gig....

 

[hscs]

Wait, where's the CSAR asset?

/end bearpoke

It's the CMV-22.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Go back and read how his narratives have changed over the last 18-24 months as the political winds WRT ship building/numbers have changed. He's a guy looking for a job - and he fancies himself capable of the SECNAV gig....

It's the CMV-22.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

I enjoy living in hotels and doing vertrep but they're making me study "tactics"!!! / future CMVGRA-22 dudes

 

[Pags]

Hendrix was a FLYING SWO.

MPRA type.

Most SWO types would likely support giving the CVW more reach, more capability. Reduces threats of all types the escort would have to deal with.

I think I may have confused him with Bryan McGrath...another one of the loud voices shouting about the Navy they'd build if only someone would listen.

 

[Recovering LSO]

There you have it....

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-jerry-hendrix-should-be-the-next-navy-undersecretary-21660

 

[Flash]

Not a big fan of Hendrix since I read his paper on how much range CVW's have lost in the past 50 years that had almost no context or details, like what the air wing composition actually was instead of just anonymous aircraft outlines. Or what the weapons utilized by the air wings are as HSCS points out:

...Article completely ignores what has happened in the way of PGMs...

And standoff weapons as well.

One area I think the Navy has neglected is tankers, with the extra room nowadays a more capable tanker would be much more possible to deploy in significant enough numbers to mitigate many of the range concerns. But, that takes bucks....

 

[azguy]

Most SWO types would likely support giving the CVW more reach, more capability. Reduces threats of all types the escort would have to deal with.

This. The combat radii of the 1980s air wing is enviable.

 

[Matty Morocco]

It's the CMV-22.

What's funny is it's only taken the Navy 27 years to start implementing the Osprey, and not even as a CSAR platform. That role is still the 60's purview. Check these old position papers on the CSAR gap from 1990.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a195016.pdf by LCDR Murphy

http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA230078 by CDR Fackrell

 

[ChuckMK23]

Sigh.

 

[jmcquate]

This. The combat radii of the 1980s air wing is enviable.

Ya, but the 8 to 9 different platforms wasn't.

 

[Brett327]

What's funny is it's only taken the Navy 27 years to start implementing the Osprey, and not even as a CSAR platform. That role is still the 60's purview. Check these old position papers on the CSAR gap from 1990.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a195016.pdf by LCDR Murphy

http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA230078 by CDR Fackrell

Let's be honest, given where we've operated in the past 30 years (and where we will likely operate in the future), CSAR for CVW assets isn't coming from the CSG. It's mostly coming from USAF, USMC and Army air assets operating from forward bases. Unless the CVW is executing extremely short range strike warfare, the time/distance problem makes organic CSAR an impossibility.