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NSS Facts

ARAMP1

Aviator Extraordinaire
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You'll only be put on the accelerated plan if you can handle it. It will probably help your NSS, but in the long run, if you have a bunch of hours and are even being considered, you're NSS will be high either way.
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
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You will have no choice as to whether you are accelerated or not. It isn't a decision you make.

The whole NSS discussion is dumb. You will fly and do your best. The squadron's best guess will still be off by a few points. Try hard, study your ass off, have a good attitude and the grades will come....or not and you will fly helos. Either way it is largely out of your control and trying to predict your NSS is a wild guess at best.
 

ARAMP1

Aviator Extraordinaire
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In the grand scheme of things, your chances of this are probably less than getting the herps.

<- Has flown with some peeps who should have the herps and not wings.
Don't disagree, the percentage is low, but still not zero.

<- Has sat on wing TRBs that SNA has attrited (despite board findings).
 

Gatordev

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<- Has sat on wing TRBs that SNA has attrited (despite board findings).
I guess I don't understand the terminology. The board voted to keep but he attrited anyway (presumably later)? It's still a failure to perform. Or do you mean something else?

My point is that most (which I'm sure you're aware) is that most people who leave flight school without Wings do so on their own and not due to a failure to perform...even when some should have been kicked out. There are just so many opportunities and second chances, that it's not something a SNA should worry about and should instead just study and show up prepared.
 

ARAMP1

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I guess I don't understand the terminology. The board voted to keep but he attrited anyway (presumably later)? It's still a failure to perform. Or do you mean something else?
The board doesn't make the decision to attrite or retain. The board looks through the SNA's ATJ and ensures that the SNA received a fair shake, (so to speak). Were warm ups, ETs, etc. awarded? Was SMS used? Etc. The writeup that the senior board member makes is that the squadron did or did not follow procedure. Every board that I've been on (maybe 7 in the last two years), the squadron did follow procedure. However, there were some instances on a couple where, for instance, the SNA who was previously having problems, sat 13 days on his pre-check, could have been awarded an optional (1 day away from a mandatory), but passed, went on to his checkride, and didn't do so well. In those cases, the squadron may not have set the SNA up for success...that's what it looks like from a board perspective anyway. I know we all understand though that sometimes it's time to sink or swim. Either way, the board will note anything like that and send it up to the commodore. It's on him to make the decision.

My point is that most (which I'm sure you're aware) is that most people who leave flight school without Wings do so on their own and not due to a failure to perform...even when some should have been kicked out. There are just so many opportunities and second chances, that it's not something a SNA should worry about and should instead just study and show up prepared.
Agreed, though I've seen a few SNAs ride it out the whole way and attrite, most that don't finish the program DOR.
 

Gatordev

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I think we're arguing semantics. The boards I sat on, we all still looked at one another after reviewing the paperwork and "voted" on whether it was worth keeping the member. Obviously at the end of the day, the decision wasn't actually made by the board or senior member.

I'm not sure what the current trend is now, since I know it changes all the time, but out of curiosity, are they still reviewing studs who are below a certain NSS threshold? I had an onwing that had that happen to him (he just didn't take to fixed-wing flying that well). They weren't IPC/FPCs, just reviews, and since there wasn't a minimum NSS, it's wasn't an action designed to attrite, but review practices like you mentioned.

My onwing was passed along (I think he had a 33), and then crushed the HT syllabus, so it worked out well for him and apparently the Marine Corps.
 

ARAMP1

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Yes . I was on a board for a marine that finished just below the 35. Only downed one flight in the program, and it wasn't even a check ride...just a normal contact flight. He even received the commodore's academic award. I believe he was retained.
 
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