Anybody who had a tough time in primary do well in advanced care to share his secret?

[CaptainRon]

Hey guys. Long time no post.

Just wanna know if there is anybody who went through Vance and did just average or had a rough time and then went on to do advanced in Corpus and rocked the program. If so, what did you change about your ways? Care to post that here and/or PM me?

Thanks for the tips.

 

[scoolbubba]

I did average at vance (55) and kept it up thru VT-35. It didn't take much adjusting...take the study habits you learned in the flight room and transfer them to the beach, your balcony, or at the desk in your bedroom in some board shorts.

The master curriculum guide is money, it would have been nice to have something like that at Vance....tells you exactly what you need to be able to brief for each flight. Between that, NATOPS, blue brains/course rules, and the FTI, as well as the way easier pattern, advanced was wayyy more fun.

Our pubs make sense, and it doesn't take 3 hours and 6 different chapters in 4 different books to tell you how to get from initial to the upwind numbers. Stand by to enjoy the next few months...just don't expect a lot out of Corpus.


Edit: I hosed up standup EPs ( I literally failed every single one of them...o fer 6) as well as the stupid gotcha! stan tests... As long as you were fine in the EP sims and normal procedures sims you shouldn't have too much trouble with the sims at advanced.

 

[picklesuit]

Vance does nothing to prepare you for the Corpus way of life. At VT-35 (and -31 I would guess) you will get your pubs, a schedule and a "Have Fun." It is the big boy Navy Flying Club. It gets even more that way when you get to KNIP. Be prepared to do EP's in the plane (gasp! The Horror!) My biggest bit of gouge going in: Learn the different phases of power loss scenario's, Case 1 (EFAR) to Case 5 (Engine loss on final)..especially pay attention to Case 2 and whether it is deferred shutdown or immediate. Otherwise, learn the checklist/responses, the Chapter 4 Natops numbers (Ops Limits...4-4 I think was the big one in the TC-12) and most importantly, noone gives much of a fuck how you did in Vance. New day/new plane. Fly your ass off and have fun...and never break down at Goliad...
Pickle

 

[MIDNJAC]

...and never break down at Goliad...

The horror

 

[torpedo0126]

Don't know if this helps at all, but, statistically, since the Navy CO of the 8th FTS at Vance took over (roughly 1.5 year ago)--the washout % of Vance students in Advanced has been 0%.

Don't know if thats true, but thats what he relayed to us.

 

[A4sForever]

...and never break down at Goliad...
Pickle

You boys STILL fly in/out of Goliad ???

I've spent 100's of hours at the end of the runway there, wavin' STUDs and gettin' a good tan ....

Look for the rattler-skins in the fire-house, if they're still there on the wall .... as that was all that was left of 'em after we caught 'em under the LSO cart & skinned 'em ....

I hate snakes ...

 

[FlyBoyd]

Don't know if this helps at all, but, statistically, since the Navy CO of the 8th FTS at Vance took over (roughly 1.5 year ago)--the washout % of Vance students in Advanced has been 0%.

Don't know if thats true, but thats what he relayed to us.

Not much of a FITREP bullet... the planned attrition in advanced props is 1%.

 

[FlyBoyd]

Hey guys. Long time no post.

Just wanna know if there is anybody who went through Vance and did just average or had a rough time and then went on to do advanced in Corpus and rocked the program. If so, what did you change about your ways? Care to post that here and/or PM me?

Thanks for the tips.

Ask around and get the gouge on everything. We won't spoon feed you. You are a big boy. Act like one and leave the USAF sea lawyering/whining to yourself.

Show up prepared and humble and the rest will work itself out.

 

[PropStop]

Show up to work. Study. Drink on the weekends. it isn't hard. Rock it or not, nobody cares, you're still winged at the end. Remember that nobody will tell you to study or force you to.

Oh yeah, stand duty with a smile.

 

[picklesuit]

You boys STILL fly in/out of Goliad ???

I've spent 100's of hours at the end of the runway there, wavin' STUDs and gettin' a good tan ....

Look for the rattler-skins in the fire-house, if they're still there on the wall .... as that was all that was left of 'em after we caught 'em under the LSO cart & skinned 'em ....

I hate snakes ...

We don't usually stop except for a seat swap, or to drop the door, get out and pee on the taxiway. The gravel on the runway was getting pretty impressive too.

 

[scoolbubba]

You boys STILL fly in/out of Goliad ???

I've spent 100's of hours at the end of the runway there, wavin' STUDs and gettin' a good tan ....

Look for the rattler-skins in the fire-house, if they're still there on the wall .... as that was all that was left of 'em after we caught 'em under the LSO cart & skinned 'em ....

I hate snakes ...

Yea, it's out there, but not many other planes are ever there so you can get 30 passes between two Studs in a couple hours no problem. The USN doesn't own it anymore, some oil rancher lives right next to it and has his personal business jet and bugsmasher right there.


And Pickle...peeing on the runway? Comeon...just piss out the relief tube and pressurize the plane with the test switch.

Or don't pressurize it when it's your flight partner and laugh as he pisses all over his hands. Revenge was a dish best served cold for his blue falcon ways.

 

[Jim123]

Ask your instructors intelligent questions (really!).

 

[bunk22]

Don't know if this helps at all, but, statistically, since the Navy CO of the 8th FTS at Vance took over (roughly 1.5 year ago)--the washout % of Vance students in Advanced has been 0%.

Don't know if thats true, but thats what he relayed to us.

I wonder if that could have anything to do with production nubmers...look sir, my squadron is number one, we attrited nobody!! I doubt the 0 percent attrite though.

 

[HornyU2]

Capt Ron, (little surprised to see an O-6 in advanced but hey, whatever........ )

Aviators mature at different rates. Personally, I think the USAF used to do it right when they put everybody through the T-37 and the T-38 program. I can't tell you how many guys from that era that I have met who nearly washed out of the T-37, and then went on to rock the vote in the T-38 and in their weapons system. Likewise, I flew with students who kicked ass in the T-37 but, barely made it through, or even washed out of, the T-38 program. I think the T-34/T-6/T-37 is a little pre-mature for a cutoff point from which we determine a flying career track - but that's just me. I've taught student pilots in each of the T-37, T-6, and T-38 - as well as taught rated pilots in the T-38. I flew with a former Marine cobra guy who could make the T-38 sing, but had struggled in primary.

But, the system is what it is and you can't change it. Money constraints dictate most of it, and the line has to be drawn somewhere. I guess this is really the long way around to saying that you wont necessarily be able to speed up this maturing process by using what worked for someone else. But, you can do what all great aviators eventually do, which is to learn what it is that YOU need to do to fly well. Look back on your experiences in primary and figure out what worked for you and what didn't - it's not the same for everyone. Do you need to chairfly, make notecards, read in a quiet place, outline your sortie profiles on paper, or watch porn while you talk through the pattern? Whatever it is - you gotta find what works for you. I'm sure you had some successes along with the failures. Your ability to determine what made the difference between the two is a measure of your maturity as a pilot. I guess that's why I look forward to the Navy "big-boy" mentality. In the USAF we spent a lot of time trying to make everybody learn in the exact same way. I got tired of baby-sitting and it lends itself to it's own need. Eventually, you gotta figure it out for yourself - and the sooner you do, the sooner the lights come on.

Best of Luck in Advanced.

 

[A4sForever]

...And Pickle...peeing on the runway? ....

It was a way of life for LSO's in the TRACOM, anywhere on the West Coast, and @ CUBI ....

After spending 3-4 hours at the end of the runway ... what do you think we did ??? Carry colostomy bags ... ???

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh. We peeeeeeed on the runway.