The DH is strong with you. But I'm not complaining about the pay bump.
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ACIP increase for all my (USMC) friends
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The DH is strong with you. But I'm not complaining about the pay bump.
Hey an O-4 has a good idea!?!
You probably say "sergeant majors" too.
Just busting your chops; I couldn't resist.
Maybe it's an everywhere-but-VFA thing, but it seems the first question from higher, anytime some organ donor crashes his motorcycle, is, "Did he have the training and do you have a copy of the little card on file?" (Amazingly, people still crash even with the training.)
On the CYA argument, every fucking time we had a motorcycle accident, the first thing asked (after “are they still alive) was “did they do their motorcycle training”...
Like that fucking mattered.
To wit, the kid that disobeyed my direct, written order not to ride his newly purchased motorcycle (a Harley, no less, for a kid that never owned a bike) before he took the BRC, promptly went out and flipped the damn thing on himself, earning 30 days LLD.
The layers of CYA were awesome...
First question from higher: Did he do his training?
Me: Nope, he’s an idiot.
Them: Why not? It’s required...
Me: Yup, as I said, he’s an idiot.
Me: Why didn’t you wait three days and take the course first?
AA Idiot: I wanted to practice.
Me: Facepalm...
Me: Did you actually read any of the Page 13’s you signed?
AA Idiot: Yup!
Me: Okay, I’m recommending NJP (he’d already been busted down once for being a drunken idiot)
Command, through the big XO: Yup, he’s an idiot, who disobeyed you...
Me: Great! See you at mast!
Command, at mast: I don’t think you have a lawful order. Well, JAG doesn’t think you have a lawful order.
Me: Can’t control utter look of disbelief and disgust.
CO: I can see you look unhappy...
Me: Fact (in a few more, politely stated words)...
CO: I’m out of here in a month, not fighting this fight. Charges dismissed...
Me: FTP...
Apparently all of those requirements for BRC, Page 13’s, etcetera, don’t mean shit if you are off base.
It’s a worthless fucking program that pays lip service to the problem, which isn’t that our Sailors drive motorcycles (responsibly or otherwise) but the fact that it is somehow MY FAULT as the ISIC or higher if THEY wreck their bike and the NAVY should really do SOMETHING (or at least APPEAR to do something)...
We need to get out of the business of trying to govern our people away from the job (yeah, I know, Sailor 24/7/366) when they do what any other reasonable American would do in their free time, and then blaming anyone other than that individual when they fuck it up.
I’ve fucked up in my life, plenty of times, both personally and professionally...I’ve just been lucky, to this point, to have been afforded the respect to take responsibility for it myself.
Wow, I really got off track there...
Anyway, I’m going to really enjoy an extra $350 a month to spend responsibly (on tuition for single mothers going through nursing school, the reappropriation of this white man’s money back to the nearest Indian tribe and their casino, or investing in the distillery industry, I’m sure) and hope the odds may ever be in your favor...
Pickle
Like that fucking mattered.
To wit, the kid that disobeyed my direct, written order not to ride his newly purchased motorcycle (a Harley, no less, for a kid that never owned a bike) before he took the BRC, promptly went out and flipped the damn thing on himself, earning 30 days LLD.
The layers of CYA were awesome...
First question from higher: Did he do his training?
Me: Nope, he’s an idiot.
Them: Why not? It’s required...
Me: Yup, as I said, he’s an idiot.
Me: Why didn’t you wait three days and take the course first?
AA Idiot: I wanted to practice.
Me: Facepalm...
Me: Did you actually read any of the Page 13’s you signed?
AA Idiot: Yup!
Me: Okay, I’m recommending NJP (he’d already been busted down once for being a drunken idiot)
Command, through the big XO: Yup, he’s an idiot, who disobeyed you...
Me: Great! See you at mast!
Command, at mast: I don’t think you have a lawful order. Well, JAG doesn’t think you have a lawful order.
Me: Can’t control utter look of disbelief and disgust.
CO: I can see you look unhappy...
Me: Fact (in a few more, politely stated words)...
CO: I’m out of here in a month, not fighting this fight. Charges dismissed...
Me: FTP...
Apparently all of those requirements for BRC, Page 13’s, etcetera, don’t mean shit if you are off base.
It’s a worthless fucking program that pays lip service to the problem, which isn’t that our Sailors drive motorcycles (responsibly or otherwise) but the fact that it is somehow MY FAULT as the ISIC or higher if THEY wreck their bike and the NAVY should really do SOMETHING (or at least APPEAR to do something)...
We need to get out of the business of trying to govern our people away from the job (yeah, I know, Sailor 24/7/366) when they do what any other reasonable American would do in their free time, and then blaming anyone other than that individual when they fuck it up.
I’ve fucked up in my life, plenty of times, both personally and professionally...I’ve just been lucky, to this point, to have been afforded the respect to take responsibility for it myself.
Wow, I really got off track there...
Anyway, I’m going to really enjoy an extra $350 a month to spend responsibly (on tuition for single mothers going through nursing school, the reappropriation of this white man’s money back to the nearest Indian tribe and their casino, or investing in the distillery industry, I’m sure) and hope the odds may ever be in your favor...
Pickle
The Farva has been known to put out some actual good idea fairies, even when you were a dirty hinge
Don’t get me wrong either. It easy shit to do, but I fall on the more principled side of these ankle biting shenanigans... and not the time-consumption argument. The Marines (...or the Navy) specifically recruited officers and trained them as aviators for judgment (...and you know the whole JJDIDTIEBUCKLE thing) through numerous vetting procedures (background checks, criminal history, test batteries, LORs...etc) for us to be not be a bunch of dumb asses.
Which leads me to think...why in the fuck are we wasting my time with online training telling me to be fiscally responsible, not haze, rape/harasss women/men, beat my wife, or drink and drive? I get the leadership aspect of it as well - ensuring the lead by example thing is all copasetic. I just find it somewhat useless for the vast majority of officers.
That’s actually changed a lot in the last year...more and more of them are leaving every month. Recruitment of Rotary transition pilots is all the rage at the regionals these days. Almost every single one has a program for them and some give job offers 12-18 months out (before they Helo guys check in at the boat with their resignation letter in hand)...
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Sorry you’re tell by me the Navy is basing it off of one year data point-the reality is they’re 4 years behind. And the number of helicopter guys getting hired by the majors is nowhere near the numbers justifying 5 times as much money.
Helo bubbas are going many places post-Navy, not just the airlines.
You're talking about the smallest aviation community in the entire Navy. The mishaps in the past few years, married with the abysmal flight time available for JOs, has absolutely hammered the HM community in retention.
Considering there are only two squadrons, when dudes bail it's by default a larger percentage that hits harder.
Comparatively, the HSC community has larger JO numbers in the wardroom and can absorb the losses easier, hence why HSC only gets 75k.
Fake news. Once you get selected for helos the die is cast and making right hand turns in the D will be the pinnacle of your life. Only FW guys have a hope of a career post navy; be it as an airline pilot, MBA student, lawyer, or doctor. If RW bubbas are lucky they might get to drive the forklift at Costco or the baggage cart at a regional airport.
No, just that things are changing...
This years DH bonus is likely only based on last years data points plus current YG manning. The HM community has been deadly shitshow in with an uncertain future recent history and there aren’t a lot of folks in it... that’s probably why their willing to pay as much as they are for HM pilots.
Huh?
Are you really that oblivious to the HM and HMH maintenance/red stripe shitstorm of the last couple years? Coupled with a couple high profile mishaps and low squadron morale...and now you have the current status.
If you guys turned left instead of right, you could be NASCAR drivers.