Iran?!
China realizes that it cannot compete one for one with the US military, which is why they are going the asymetrical route......
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VIETNAM or IRAQ WAR: What is it good for?? Absolutely nothing?? Or ...????
- Thread starter VetteMuscle427
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Iran?!
China realizes that it cannot compete one for one with the US military, which is why they are going the asymetrical route......
WishICouldFly
UO Future Pork Chop
Last I checked, for all intents and purposes, China is not a communist country anymore.
Interesting thoughts...
A4s and Catmando-- was there ever a pre-strike OCA sweep, or was that just considered pointless because of ROE??
A4s and Catmando-- was there ever a pre-strike OCA sweep, or was that just considered pointless because of ROE??
FUPaladin
couldabeen
The only things remotely communist about China are one-party rule and how they don't let peasants own their own land. Otherwise they've followed the Taiwan/Hong Kong/Singapore model of free market capitalism, and their standard of living is on the rise as a result. Yes, we're going to butt heads with China over certain things, but I think they know that their continued prosperity is closely tied to the rest of the world, and that the best thing for them is to maintain the status quo. So yes, we should definitely keep an eye on their military buildup, and keep the pressure on them on human rights issues and such, but I think some people see the word "communist" and assume that China is going to become the next Soviet Union, when really they're not similar at all.
Free market capitalism???
Ever been to Taiwan/pre or post Hong Kong/Singapore .... or Red China???
You obviously know little of China's "manifest destiny" point(s) of view ....
*edit* and rest assured ... the power structure in mainland China is most definitely of the communist variety. It's one big gray prison. No matter how much B.S. propaganda you fellows have swallowed over the past 30+ years ....
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and state that terms like "OCA" didn't exist in the old days .... I certainly can't remember it ..... mebbe things like--- fighter sweep, MIGCAP, air superiority, or the rarity of something like an "Operation Bolo" ....
Likewise ... I never heard of SEAD, for example. South East Asia .... something with a "D" .... even though the Navy and military in general likes its acronyms -- you guys have taken it to new heights (no pun) these days ....
You beat me to it. I didn't have a clue. I was going to post: OCA ????I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and state that terms like "OCA" didn't exist in the old days .... I certainly can't remember it ..... mebbe things like--- fighter sweep, MIGCAP, air superiority, or the rarity of something like an "Operation Bolo" ....
Likewise ... I never heard of SEAD, for example. South East Asia .... something with a "D" .... even though the Navy and military in general likes its acronyms -- you guys have taken it to new heights (no pun) these days ....
And don't feel bad.... I just learned about SEAD a little while ago. Somehow, I liked IronHand and Pouncers better.
And it was a long time before I figured out a Strella was a MANPAD. Ah, progress
FUPaladin
couldabeen
I don't deny the threat posed by Islamo-fascism, and I do believe that it is the greatest threat to global security faced today and the fight of our generation (by which I mean mostly younger guys like myself), but to say that they're more powerful than Nazi Germany or Japan strikes me as giving them way too much credit. That said, the weapons available in this day and age do give any small group of extremists the potential to cause massive destruction and loss of life with a single attack. I'm much less afraid of extremists driving up the price of oil than I am of a small group of crazies getting their hands on a nuclear bomb, because you know they want one. Makes Pakistan about the scariest place on earth, in my opinion.
I was in China for three months last year, and I saw a lot of capitalism, or at the very least, not much that I would call communism. The power structures haven't changed much in the last 30 years, but since Deng Xiaoping and especially after Tiananmen, the government largely lets people live their own lives and pursue their own interests (provided you have the right connections--corruption is rampant), on the condition that they never speak out against the government. It's far from a free society (in fact, Chinese citizens have no civil rights), but aside from its system of government, it's also far from communist. Private businesses are thriving in China, and that's not me believing propaganda. I saw it for myself.
Yeah .... figured SEAD was some kinda South East Asian Drink .... or something. I thought MANPAD was something dept. heads wore "that time of the month" ....You beat me to it. I didn't have a clue. I was going to post: OCA ????
And don't feel bad.... I just learned about SEAD a little while ago. Somehow, I liked IronHand and Pouncers better.
And which sounds better??? IRONHAND .... or SEAD??? Gimme a break ...
Wow. Three months??? You saw what they wanted you to see .... i.e., you saw crap. "Private" businesses only exist at the sufferance of the local, corrupt, communist party functionaries -- who are always in on the take, BTW.
Yeah ... there's that pesky ol' Tiananmen Square blip to otherwise mar their recent, "free", "enlightened", "capitalist" history .... you really are gullible, aren't you???FUPaladin said:
I worked with their bureacrats during the testing/proving runs for US air carriers into the Workers' Paradise in the early '80's. All communist state functionaries. That's WHY they had the job. I can state, without equivocation, that you are gullible and a good friend of the present communist regime. Lenin called them "useful idiots" ... his words, not mine.
But it's O.K. I'm not gonna' argue with you -- not tryin' to be nasty, either .... it's just that I know what I'm talking about. You don't.
Capt Morgan's
Banned
A4's that is too funny, I agree that Iron Hand or Pouncers is a much better name and also much more descriptive of the job but you have to remember everything has to be PC today.
Would want to offend anyone while trying to win a war and all.
Would want to offend anyone while trying to win a war and all.
FUPaladin
couldabeen
You may not want to argue, but you did just basically call me a communist and an idiot, so I feel the need to respond. I'm under no illusions that the CCP is free or enlightened or anything but bad for China or that party connections aren't necessary for virtually any business enterprise. What I am saying is that the Chinese economy today is nothing that Marx or Lenin or Mao would remotely recognize. Yes, the government likes to dip its beak, but it's still primarily a market-driven economy and not centrally planned.
Also, nothing in what I said about the Tiananmen Square Massacre comes from me being gullible. It's a fact that since 1989, personal freedoms in China have increased. In effect, the Chinese people have been bought off by the CCP, in that in exchange for more personal freedoms, the CCP maintains zero tolerance for any criticism of the government and especially any talk of democratic reform.
Also, nothing in what I said about the Tiananmen Square Massacre comes from me being gullible. It's a fact that since 1989, personal freedoms in China have increased. In effect, the Chinese people have been bought off by the CCP, in that in exchange for more personal freedoms, the CCP maintains zero tolerance for any criticism of the government and especially any talk of democratic reform.
And here I just sent you a nice, conciliatory PM.
Oh, well ....
I'm still glad they put it to that little SOB who drew the picture of the pistol ....
Some good information on China: Fault Lines in China's Economic Terrain
Courtesy of our friends at the RAND Institute
Courtesy of our friends at the RAND Institute
Here's a speech on America's failure to live up to the reality of her empire status: Is the U.S. an Empire in Denial? A Lecture by Niall Ferguson