Discussion in 'War Zone' started by bluesig1, Oct 1, 2008.
Here is one for the conspiracy theorists that lurk AW's. What really happened to the USS Liberty.
Sounds like the voice of Alex Jones... you owe me a new laptop cause I just puked on mine.
I dunno, sounds crazy but so was the attack. The ships identity was NOT any mystery to the attackers.
Take a field trip to Ft. Meade museum in Maryland some day....it may shine some light on this.
The idiot doesn't even put up the right medal for the Medal of Honor. That should say something about his research skills.
My Mentor at USC before I left to goto the Academy was the Naval Attache to Israel at the time. I highly doubt he would have anything to do with an intentional cover-up. He once told me about how he lost his flag because he told Zumwalt that his policies would harm the navy, something the admiral didnt want to hear.
Any time get to have a chat with him and listen to him tell sea stories, I am in awe. My favorite one was about him right after he graduated the academy and was in the far east for korea. When in port japan he went to the same gesha house that admiral togo had gone to following tushima straights. Talking to the Gesha trainer she recalled, many years before when she was a young gesha and distincly remembered a bandaged LT Isoroku Yamamoto who was on the admirals staff.
Which means im 5 degrees of seperation from admiral Togo.
It is absolutely Alex Jones
Any way you could shine some light on what we might find?
Rt 170 and Md 32.
But he put up a box with the big letters FACT. It must be true.
Ummm, no. You got the MD 32 part right, but 170 is nowhere near the National Cryptologic Museum. I believe what you will find is a display on the USS Liberty, with information that the NSA declassified in 2003 and 2007.
If you're ever in the area, I hear it's a pretty good museum (I haven't been yet, but will before we leave). To get to it, you take the Canine Road/NSA exit off of MD-32. Turn left at the light prior to the gate for the NSA compound. There's also an airpark of sorts, where they have some of their old collection aircraft on display - before you get to the museum.
That is friggin sweet.
Nawwww, I don't know squat about the museum or even it's location. Other than staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night and my first job as a kid at FGGM circa 1967 (TV Repair shop ratty old WW1 building <Taylor Ave?> I remember 170 WELL on my way back to Linthicum. (170 was the local street drag racing spot for the locals N of Westinghouse) "Colors" was broadcast over base speakers and it was mandatory to stop.
The Liberty has always intrigued me though. Not buying into all the conspiracy shit I would say LBJ was capable of almost anything. Didn't like him then and time has not changed my suspicions of him.
I'm usually pretty skeptical when it comes to the cover-up theories as well, but when it comes to LBJ I stop and say "Well maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but he was definitely capable."
As well you should be.
The "incident" was caused by some major scew-up at a relative low level. In layman's terms this is what caused the incident.
The Government of Israel told the U.S. to get the USS Liberty out of the area, or else, or so I have been told. For this exercise it is not important who they told.
But what I do know is that the NCA directed the USS Liberty to immediately depart the area on a heading due west. This was conveyed in a message, classified TS, directly to the USS Liberty. The originator of the message was JCS.
Since the ship was owned and operated by the Naval Security Group, who considered themselves as super spooks of the Maxwel Smart variety, they did not bother to tell the communications system how to route a TS message to the Liberty. The GENSER communications guard for the USS Liberty was Port-Lyautey, now Kenitra Morocco. Their channels were cleared only at the secret level. The communications center got the message almost immediately but since it was TS did not have any way to deliver as they had not been told that the USS Liberty had a "back channel" link cleared for TS. Soooo the message bounced around the world, from Pt Lyaute back to Washington, then to the Phillipines, then Hawaii and some other places that I have since forgotten. For twelve hours this went on.
Apparently losing patience, one can hardly blame them, the GOI took matters into their own hands. The rest is history, as and as someone said, NSA has released, declassified thousands of documents on the subject.
Your version is the most credible that I have heard. Amazingly & unfortunately, I had just been commissioned from Newport in March '66 and, newly winged an NFO, gotten to my squadron in March '67. I had OCS classmates, no shit, on the Liberty, The Pueblo & the VQ-1 EC-121 the North Koreans shot down. I myself was sent to VN in June '67 to do a TSC airborne job for which I had never received a minute of training prior to my arrival in-country. So I can believe just about anything about how the government could screw up just about anything.
Same here, and was just t h a t close to being on Pueblo myself. I was staff C7F at time, volunteered to go as I thought they were so screwed up. New ship, first mission since conversion from an AKL.
Pueblo had evey TS/SCI document known to mankind on that ship. Standard issue the CO was told when he complained about amount of unnecessary sensitive documents aboard. Also, prior to mission, DIRNSA told CINCPAC not to let the Pueblo within 50 miles of the coast of Korea.
What an intelligence haul the North Koreans/Russians/Chinese etc made that day.
Put liberty in the search engine and it will bring up all the declassed documents.
All that , a 50 caliber machine gun w/ no trained crew and no air cover. May God help us from ourselves!
Big Look out of DaNang? Sqdrn relocated to Thailand during TeT offensive?
Then you would have been teachin' me the finer points of CWEST after your release, Master Chief ... since Chuck Law did ... small world.
Big Look? No, that was a VQ mission. My squadron (VX-8) flew nightly from both Tan Son Nhut (Siagon) & DaNang doing dirty tricks broadcasting for the CIA & SOG. We basically gave misinformation & disinformation to the VC & NVA on their normal tactical freqs. Call sign was Blue Eagle. All this has since been de-classified.
Was this related to Project Jenny?
Yes, but Jenny (airborne TV broadcast to "strategic hamlets" in South Viet Nam) was an unclassified mission that was performed at the same time. Everyone in RVN knew what Jenny was, but no one knew what our secondary, and more important, mission was at the time.
As usually happens, The USAF has now taken over the airborne radio/TV mission with an entire squadron of C-130's ("Commando Solo"). We did it w/ 4 NC-121's that were equipped, tested & developed by our men (with some officer help) with their own resources. Let no one ever tell you that the Navy lacks talented & creative people.
I did not know Chuck. I obviously talked to him during the 6 months or so I spent on the CDA Team. My focus was on the cryptologic folks. I knew most of them, several were TDY from KamiSeya, just outside NAF Atsugi, where I spent a fair amount of time.
Thinking back I am not sure the crew were more mistreated by the NKoreans or by the Navy upon their return. Dreadful.
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