Maybe. Mark Provo? I was thinking same thing since Mark has been at FedEx for about 16 years. I haven’t seen Ben since Meridian but I see his brother Wimbo around ops every now and then.
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Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)
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707guy
"You can't make this shit up..."
Was in VFA-15 with him when he was a nugget.
Nate Scott...on the current team
Sometimes I forget I’m old.. Some days it seems like yesterday and others like forever ago.
Caesium
Blue is my favorite color
A LCDR in the P-3 community once told me that he's never been on a ship at any point in his career because he spent his dissassociated sea tour on a shore based staff. Is that common? I thought that especially for the land based communities you have to go to sea for your disassociated tour?
There are disassociated tours that aren't on a ship. Most don't play well for the boards. Some do, but they are painful. Big Navy wants a pain tour. If that pain comes from spending a couple years in DC or as an aide working 20 hour days and never seeing your family, then you are probably still on track. If you manage to spend your disassociated tour handing out basketballs somewhere or flying for a foreign navy and soaking up some culture, then you are probably off track. There are guys that do the latter and still manage to stay on the path, but they are definitely the exception to the rule and there are probably mitigating circumstances.
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So PEP tours are all disassociated sea tours? I thought some of them counted as overseas shore was I off base or does that vary?
Does anyone go "outside" of their community/platform for PEP (I know they're rare in general) like say someone were a TACAMO pilot and since we're the only country really flying the Mercury proper is there any room to do PEP in a similar-esque type aircraft or is it just not something that happens if you aren't flying something an ally also flies?
(Mostly just curiosity, I'm probably too early to worry about how on track it is)
I know of dudes who have done their PEP in place of first shore tour and some who have done it in place of their disassociated sea tour. I'm sure it depends on a lot of factors.
As far as platform--as far as I know you need to be in a similar aircraft type. Jet to foreign jet or helo to foreign helo.
I'm VP and doing a training officer tour instead of the boat. At least for DH still community valued, for skipper, not enough data points.
On a somewhat related point to your post: ensure you know the rules. My buddy did his first tour in HS, then did HSC-85 for his second tour. When the detailer came around and told him he had to go to a boat, he replied "No, the MILPERSMAN says you can't give me a sea tour after back-to-back sea tours". So he demanded shore duty. When the detailer kept offering him "NROTC instructor in shithole university" or "Officer recruiter in Arkansas" he kept saying no until the detailer finally relented and said "GITMO C-12s?" and his reply was "DONE!"
Know the rules, and if you really want to avoid the boat, take "sea duty" orders for your second tour so you can deny boat orders on your third.
Ultimately, they are called "orders" and not "offers" for a reason. The detailer is going to give you a few options, but he (or she...) holds your fate in their hands. You don't have all that much pull in the negotiations. I have seen a guy tell them no until the bitter end, when the detailer told him (over voicemail) that he had until COB to choose between the shitty boat orders they were offering or they would choose. That did not end well for him...
Last I heard orders to 85 were given via the nom process. Is there some way to circumvent the nom process and choose back to back sea duty that I don't know about?
Not sure if it's changed, but when my buddy took it, 85 was considered "sea duty". It's not so much whether it's via the nom process, as much as is the tour written as sea duty orders.
I get that, but what I'm getting at is you said that you can just choose to take sea duty for your second set of orders in order to ensure that you get shore duty for your third set of orders. You don't really have the option of sea duty for your second tour, other than 85. And only then if you are an HSC bubba... And you are highly competitive and end up getting one of the 2-3 slots a year... It's not really an option for 99% of folks.
Maybe so. I'm not talking about probabilities here. I was a standard VT dude. I'm just opening up possibilities and expressing the fact that for those who fit this criterion, they DO NOT have to go to the boat.