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Salute a warrant officer?

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highlyrandom

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"- and nothing to prove or lose in "trouble" -"

I take huge issue with this statement with regard to the situation. If you're an Ensign and you're going to completely defer to experience without your own two cents, there's a term for you: unqualified. You should never be asking the question "what do I do now," but instead stating "Senior, I'm going to need some help on this one." There's a difference between being inexperienced and sounding incompetent.

That being said, listen to your non-coms, because they've done this before. But junior officers should always be trying to be more than just the legal bottom line to a tricky situation...while it's true that part of our job is to take complete and total responsibility if things go wrong, it's not our real calling. If Ensigns are truly worthless, there wouldn't be Ensigns; don't fall into this trap.

If a warrant officer or senior enlisted truly feels they have nothing to lose or prove, their experience isn't worth the asking...better to read the manual. A good, competent senior enlisted person cares deeply about the consequences and rewards of how their junior people are trained, and while it's their prerogative to hang a jackass Ensign out to dry, it doesn't get anyone anywhere. Anyone can be incompetent, but there's a fun element of schadenfreude when it's the inexperienced guy who gets paid more and went to college.

So: it might be fun to let the new guy screw himself to prove a point, but if I found anyone I'm working with doing that in wartime, I'd kick them off the crew. There's a time and a place, and JOs should take care of our own, whether it's correcting an arrogant asshole or letting a competent "new guy" have some extra responsibility. Don't further an already negative view of junior officers by letting funny anecdotes become the expectation.
 
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The Chief

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My brother became a Warrant Officer close to 13 years ago. Will he **** salute my finace who will have been an Ensign for approximately 3 weeks when they meet again?
(edit for accuracy):) :) :) :)

Proudly.

I was taught, and I always taught, that saluting was a privilege, and indeed, a privilege that can be taken away.
 

BackOrdered

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"- and nothing to prove or lose in "trouble" -"

I take huge issue with this statement with regard to the situation. If you're an Ensign and you're going to completely defer to experience without your own two cents, there's a term for you: unqualified. You should never be asking the question "what do I do now," but instead stating "Senior, I'm going to need some help on this one." There's a difference between being inexperienced and sounding incompetent.

That being said, listen to your non-coms, because they've done this before. But junior officers should always be trying to be more than just the legal bottom line to a tricky situation...while it's true that part of our job is to take complete and total responsibility if things go wrong, it's not our real calling. If Ensigns are truly worthless, there wouldn't be Ensigns; don't fall into this trap.

If a warrant officer or senior enlisted truly feels they have nothing to lose or prove, their experience isn't worth the asking...better to read the manual. A good, competent senior enlisted person cares deeply about the consequences and rewards of how their junior people are trained, and while it's their prerogative to hang a jackass Ensign out to dry, it doesn't get anyone anywhere. Anyone can be incompetent, but there's a fun element of schadenfreude when it's the inexperienced guy who gets paid more and went to college.

So: it might be fun to let the new guy screw himself to prove a point, but if I found anyone I'm working with doing that in wartime, I'd kick them off the crew. There's a time and a place, and JOs should take care of our own, whether it's correcting an arrogant asshole or letting a competent "new guy" have some extra responsibility. Don't further an already negative view of junior officers by letting funny anecdotes become the expectation.


Read and understood although pulling that in wartime is a bit much. Also, check your PM.
 

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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A cordial greeting is always appropriate...

"Good morning, Warrant"

Better yet, get to to know them. I was surprised how many CWOs and LDOs were on the Stennis ship's company and how helpful they could be.
 

The Chief

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A cordial greeting is always appropriate..."Good morning, Warrant"Better yet, get to to know them. I was surprised how many CWOs and LDOs were on the Stennis ship's company and how helpful they could be.

Or

Good Morning Boat's/Bo'sn
or
Good Morning Gunner
(etc)
 

JIMC5499

ex-Mech
You make sure that you get the respect you deserve from the warrants. If they don't call you sir or salute you, lock them up, take a moment to gently explain that all their time enlisted and their years as a chief doesn't matter. Point out that they are not "real" officers, and that the most junior ensign still outrates the most senior WO-5. It may be worth mentioning that they are overpaid, since an ensign can do the same job (probably better, due to college of course) for much less money. Finally, you should probably do this to a large group of warrants at the same time, you know, just to save you from having to repeat yourself too often.

Be strong. Let me know how it goes.

Man! Did a WO knock you down and steal your lolipop when you were a kid or something?
 

FrogFly

Knibb High Football Rules!
I swear to God, sarcasm is lost on some of you. Dude, just re-read the post and see how much sense it makes.
 

Rubiks06

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In my early e-days i watched a chief yeoman tell an ensign fresh from the academy to shut up and go get him some coffee when said ensign tried to give him the "Chief this is how we are going to do this"....quite comical..."black...two sugars".....
 

Brett327

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In my early e-days i watched a chief yeoman tell an ensign fresh from the academy to shut up and go get him some coffee when said ensign tried to give him the "Chief this is how we are going to do this"....quite comical..."black...two sugars".....

That's unacceptable behavior on both parts.

Brett
 

Rubiks06

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That's unacceptable behavior on both parts.

Brett

Oh i agree...but as a thirdclass i wasnt about to say something. Though learned a big lesson. You may out rank...but tact has a great role in leadership....on both sides.
 

SlickAg

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In my early e-days i watched a chief yeoman tell an ensign fresh from the academy to shut up and go get him some coffee when said ensign tried to give him the "Chief this is how we are going to do this"....quite comical..."black...two sugars".....

The worst part is that you, and perhaps other subordinates, were witness.
 

The Chief

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The worst part is that you, and perhaps other subordinates, were witness.

Not by a long shot. The worst part is when that said Ensign did not present the Navy with a brand new YN1 or maybe a YN2. Should he not have taken action, then shame on him.
 

Rubiks06

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pilot
This may sound like a stupid question but could you really see a CO busting a chief down for something like that. I mean I can see a closed door ass chewing or maybe an open forum apology, but isnt that kind of a big jump? Really asking? No sarcasm.:confused::confused:
 

MasterBates

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If the CPOs berate the ENS, then the PO1s will start.. Then the PO2s, etc...

Breaks down the chain of command and can snowball.
 
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