Discussion in 'Current News' started by ryan1234, Jun 14, 2012.
Can't be worse than all the "African-American," "Asian-Pacific Islander," "Latino," "Women," et al pride events we already have.
I don't care what any of you fuckers are. Just STFU about it and get back to work.
It's actually a "Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender" "event". That's Super!!!!
And leading the event Winona Ryder will perform her ping pong ball trick.
The LGB part I'm fine with. The "Transgender?" I don't think anyone's allowed to wear the uniform of another gender still.
Is there a Winona Ryder meme I'm missing there? I haven't heard anything about her for years.
South Park the movie reference, she does her ping pong ball trick right at the beginning of the execution segment.
I love how people whine nonstop about the Mickey Mouse bullshit their command/the Navy/the Corps makes them do, talking about how we're all adults, but then get up in arms over completely harmless non-news items like breast feeding in uniform or pride events.
Do we wanna micromanage people's lives or not?
Should not be much of a shock considering it brings DoD in line with the White House and the rest of the USG...
Might be tough to get a waver for the transgender thing. NAMI whammy
For the record, I might attend if Winona Ryder was actually doing a ping ball trick.
4 hours of sexual assault awareness training is an insulting, CYA-motivated, waste of time which has NO measurable effect. Show me one time a sexual predator has paused and contemplated the meaning of that last SAPR presentation, before acting on their deviant impulses.
Ensuring that uniform standards are uniform and that the uniforms are not used for political purposes is reasonable.
How are these scenarios fundamentally similar?
Most sexual assaults aren't committed by "sexual predators," but are instead perpetrated by people who know their victim. But I'm sure you knew that, having actually paid attention to the training.
I've always thought of it this way: If you don't like it or aren't interested you don't have to go.
Wifey and I go to some of the cultural "pride" events if for nothing else but the food. Greek fests, Ethiopian festivals, Asian Festivals, etc.... They all have pretty awesome food, and sometimes they have interesting cultural music and dance.
Acquaintance with the victim does not negate the predatory nature of the act. If you insist, replace "predator" with "offender" in my comment above, and my point still stands. The training has negligible preventive power.
I don't think so at all - it establishes baselines of acceptable behavior and encourages others to stop the beginnings of assault. Lots of people literally don't know what is and isn't consent.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same things. Going to a town or city's ethnic festival can indeed be interesting and a good time. I'm talking about the silly events that get passed via all-hands email blasts and the accompanying MARADMINs/NAVADMINs requesting nominations for "Female Marine of the Year" or some such malarkey. I know the PC police will say it's different somehow, but I somehow think that the reception would be much different if they had a European-American Pride event at the O-club, with displays showing the outstanding contributions of European-Americans to the military. Of course, the menu selections might be a little boring, but still...
This. Even in my short time in the Navy the things I have seen boggle my mind.
How we have failed as a society if your statement is true? But I don't think it is. I think your sentiment echos what has become a culture of personal UN-accountability.
Mind boggling =/= unaccountable.
I'm trying hard to decide between jalapeño-stuffed or bleu cheese-stuffed olives in my Martini this evening. Any help?
This just seemed like a useless-fucking thread...didn't know where else to post my query.
In the words of another righteous poster: "I'm literally crying in my brain right now!"
Bleu cheese.....the tart and Gin can't be beat. As for the 5 sided fun house.......I'll quote George and Jerry, "not that there's anything wrong with that".
From what I have seen it is more of a CYA event. More than that is is a wakeup call to guys as to what the military really considers sexual assault. ie if a guy and a girl are both so drunk that they dont remember the night prior and happen to wake up in bed next to each other, obviously it was all the guys fault and he must have assaulted the girl. Typical of the military, we won't let facts get in the way to destroying someone's life/career.
"Your last hit...Shack. Check switches safe...cleared off target and cleared to RTB. Nice run."
Yeah, so take one example and make a point with it. Yes, these GMT presentations are usually delivered terribly and dumbed down for the lowest common denominator, but there IS a valid point.
If you have sex with an extremely drunk chick, that is rape, legally speaking. Not saying no is not consent. Watching your buddy repeatedly make moves on a less than receptive, but not exactly vocally opposed girl = NOT ok. These aren't cut and dry scenarios that a LOT of junior sailors may not see a problem with and may turn a blind eye to if we didn't point it out to them and open their eyes a bit.
More importantly, there is a lot of information passed on services available to those who have been abused or who may suspect someone who has been abused.
Stop overly-simplifying this sexual assault training. GMT is dumb enough, so it doesn't need exaggeration when it's not warranted. No one needs to know that if you have to play music to drown out the screaming and crying, then THAT is rape.
(a little rape humor to add some levity).
This is not true or typical at all. An Article 32 is more stringent than a Grand Jury. Sexual assault IS (from my experience) a preponderance of the cases going to SPCM or GCM, but the case you described would be easily filtered out. Unless you had an unreasonable convening authority, the prosecutors wouldn't even move on a spurious case like that.
OTOH Article 120 is pretty difficult to prosecute after the last MCM rewrite, so even a clear cut case has a good chance of being found not guilty.
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