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P-3's on a carrier????
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I can't believe I googled for a C-130 float plane.46Driver said:
I really can't believe that I found it really was a plan.
From: http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/articles/float.htm
NAVAL AIR STATION PATUXENT RIVER, MD - - - Officials at the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division recently announced the latest variant of the ubiquitous C-130 Hercules, the C-130 Floatplane. The C-130 Floatplane is proposed as a low-cost modification to existing aircraft which would add considerable flexibility to logistic, special forces, and other missions.
It would have field installable amphibian floats replacing the landing gear on C-130E/H/J models allowing open ocean, beaching, and hard surface operation without the need for a dedicated seaplane.
For the last two years, the warfare centerís aircraft division has contracted to Lockheed Martin Aeronautical Systems to perform a feasibility study and a technology risk reduction effort. These were done to identify and quantify the risk areas: hydrodynamic drag and impact loads, spray patterns, and aerodynamic stability.
To mitigate this risk, a subscale model with a radical split float design was built and tested. The split float eliminates inboard spray, deflects outboard spray clear of the props and wings, reduces water impact loads, retains full cargo ramp operation, and has excellent sea-keeping qualities. Tow tank tests showed that water impact loads were lower than expected allowing sea state three operation. Drag was acceptable and spray patterns were excellent. Computational Fluid Dynamic Analysis indicated that aerodynamic stability degradation is within acceptable limits. Payloads up to 27,000 pounds and ranges more than 2,200 nautical miles with 10,000 pounds of cargo are possible. The C-130 Floatplane opens vast new missions that were formerly not feasible.
random powerpoint slide: http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/articles/c130fp.zip
Speaking of carrier landings by 4 motored beasts;
No way the P-3 did it, especially in 1944! The P2V wasn't even around yet. Anyone, other posters put that one to rest.
Now, the C-130 actually did conduct carrier trials. Check out this link - http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0097.shtml
The idea was to be able to move more Pax and cargo than the COD (C-1 and C-2 were both less than ideal for moving large numbers of people and a lot of cargo necessitating a lot of roundtrips). See the site for more details. It was done and more than once. Pilot (Flatley) got a DFC.
Fast forward to 1985 and USS America operating in Vestfjord, Norway during NATO Ocean Safari exercise while responding real world Soviet response to a carrier so close to the motherland. During this precedent-setting operation inside the fjord (high walls hid the carrier from Soviet Bear D radar and, supposedly, the fjord could be sealed from any sub activity by the bad guys), the Brits and Euro press were saying carriers couldn't hide nor survive the massive Soviet air and sub threat. So this was a tense exercise with loads of VIPs and press wanting to come out and see if the carrier could in fact survive. So far, the translant and ops North of UK has been a stunning success with Soviets and NATO unable to find the carrier due to aggressive deception campaign and solid cloud cover. SECNAV (Lehman) and 2nd Fleet (Mustin) were both aboard so there were heavies everywhere and even more trying to come aboard once the carrier revealed her location.
Ashore in Olso, Norway a naval reserve captain sent over to coordinate movement of all VIPs and press was aware of the C-130 landings (only enough to know it happened and as it turned out, apparently he did not know it was only a test event) and he figured he could greatly expedite the transfer of folks waiting to get out to the carrier by making one trip in a C-130 (that brought many of the folks and some material to Olso) vice mulitple trips in the C-2 spread out through the day in order to conform the the cyclic ops of the carrier. He was the senior guy ashore and his reservists set about to getting the passengers manifested and cargo moving to the C-130. The C-130 crew was unaware of his plan initially (obviously) and the whole affair was only stopped when a liaison officer (a LT who was my roommate) from the air wing arrived ashore on the first COD and stumbled on "the plan". He had to argue with the Captain who was adamant that C-130s had and still did land on carriers (true, but only in one test). It was simple enough to clear up by checking with the C-130 crew who had not intention of landing on this or any other carrier.
After telling us this story upon his return, my roommate said the captain was a furniture store owner in regular life and was just trying be efficient. After slowly realizing he had figured wrong, it was more of trying to not look like a baffoon in front of is command and VIPs who were already snickering.
A word to you fledgling aviators, the reservists get a medal after 10 years (IIRC) that is yellow and blue. We jokingly referred to it as a warning label as a reservist with ten years or more could be an O-4, 5 or 6 and outrank most active duty types, but in terms of actual active time (2 weeks a year plus weekends equals about 6 weeks a year) so a ten year reservist may only have a little over a year of active duty (of course that doesn't include any active duty served before going into the reserves) so you has a JG might have a lot more active duty time than an O-5. At any rate, I have served with many reservists who were stellar folks so don't take this the wrong way (especially if you are USNR). But, remember, look for and heed the warning label!! (tongue in cheek)
OK, back to original post - P-3s on carriers, never! C-130, yes, multiple times in one test with nothing else on flight deck. Now, for the real oddball carrier landing. During Viet Nam, a U-2 demonstrated ability to land on a carrier. Hook magazine carried some stunning color shots (pre-photoshop). Here's a link with a good color shot (http://www.afa.org/magazine/feb2001/0201spyplane.asp). Happy New Year! HJ
No way the P-3 did it, especially in 1944! The P2V wasn't even around yet. Anyone, other posters put that one to rest.
Now, the C-130 actually did conduct carrier trials. Check out this link - http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0097.shtml
The idea was to be able to move more Pax and cargo than the COD (C-1 and C-2 were both less than ideal for moving large numbers of people and a lot of cargo necessitating a lot of roundtrips). See the site for more details. It was done and more than once. Pilot (Flatley) got a DFC.
Fast forward to 1985 and USS America operating in Vestfjord, Norway during NATO Ocean Safari exercise while responding real world Soviet response to a carrier so close to the motherland. During this precedent-setting operation inside the fjord (high walls hid the carrier from Soviet Bear D radar and, supposedly, the fjord could be sealed from any sub activity by the bad guys), the Brits and Euro press were saying carriers couldn't hide nor survive the massive Soviet air and sub threat. So this was a tense exercise with loads of VIPs and press wanting to come out and see if the carrier could in fact survive. So far, the translant and ops North of UK has been a stunning success with Soviets and NATO unable to find the carrier due to aggressive deception campaign and solid cloud cover. SECNAV (Lehman) and 2nd Fleet (Mustin) were both aboard so there were heavies everywhere and even more trying to come aboard once the carrier revealed her location.
Ashore in Olso, Norway a naval reserve captain sent over to coordinate movement of all VIPs and press was aware of the C-130 landings (only enough to know it happened and as it turned out, apparently he did not know it was only a test event) and he figured he could greatly expedite the transfer of folks waiting to get out to the carrier by making one trip in a C-130 (that brought many of the folks and some material to Olso) vice mulitple trips in the C-2 spread out through the day in order to conform the the cyclic ops of the carrier. He was the senior guy ashore and his reservists set about to getting the passengers manifested and cargo moving to the C-130. The C-130 crew was unaware of his plan initially (obviously) and the whole affair was only stopped when a liaison officer (a LT who was my roommate) from the air wing arrived ashore on the first COD and stumbled on "the plan". He had to argue with the Captain who was adamant that C-130s had and still did land on carriers (true, but only in one test). It was simple enough to clear up by checking with the C-130 crew who had not intention of landing on this or any other carrier.
After telling us this story upon his return, my roommate said the captain was a furniture store owner in regular life and was just trying be efficient. After slowly realizing he had figured wrong, it was more of trying to not look like a baffoon in front of is command and VIPs who were already snickering.
A word to you fledgling aviators, the reservists get a medal after 10 years (IIRC) that is yellow and blue. We jokingly referred to it as a warning label as a reservist with ten years or more could be an O-4, 5 or 6 and outrank most active duty types, but in terms of actual active time (2 weeks a year plus weekends equals about 6 weeks a year) so a ten year reservist may only have a little over a year of active duty (of course that doesn't include any active duty served before going into the reserves) so you has a JG might have a lot more active duty time than an O-5. At any rate, I have served with many reservists who were stellar folks so don't take this the wrong way (especially if you are USNR). But, remember, look for and heed the warning label!! (tongue in cheek)
OK, back to original post - P-3s on carriers, never! C-130, yes, multiple times in one test with nothing else on flight deck. Now, for the real oddball carrier landing. During Viet Nam, a U-2 demonstrated ability to land on a carrier. Hook magazine carried some stunning color shots (pre-photoshop). Here's a link with a good color shot (http://www.afa.org/magazine/feb2001/0201spyplane.asp). Happy New Year! HJ
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The pilot that landed the C-130 on a carrier was James Flatley, now a retired Rear Admiral, and son of a famous WWII fighter pilot. I worked for him. The carrier was America. It was a test. Admiral Flatley may indeed have the most carrier landings of any pilot - maybe. When I worked for him when he was a CarGru Commander, he got his final landings in an A-6 from CVW-7 embarked Ike about 20 years ago. With those landings he surpassed a Brit pilot for most carrier landings. But that was a long time ago. Don't know who has the most carrier landings today.
Reminds me of a joke newspaper story I saw once (complete with doctored photos)...
Headline: Joint Navy/Air Force team lands C-5A on Aircraft Carrier.
The story went on to say that the next joint Navy/Air Force project was to find out how to get a C-5A off of an aircraft carrier...
Headline: Joint Navy/Air Force team lands C-5A on Aircraft Carrier.
The story went on to say that the next joint Navy/Air Force project was to find out how to get a C-5A off of an aircraft carrier...
bch said:
They already do ... it's just classified.
The destroyer goes really fast and the shuttle gets a big flare, then they just hook it with the crane as it flies by ...
Easy.
Time to jab my eyeballs out with a spoon...
or go read the ongoing saga that is "arguing politics with high schoolers"
either is less painful than you guys DRIVING ME NUTS
Oh, FYI, the F-16 that landed on the carrier was part of the Army National Guard Unit that flies jets. They are all got flight slots because "it's so easy". A lot of them were bitter USN and USMC helo drivers who knew it would be a piece of cake to get a lateral transfers and transitions...it happens all the time. Now Navy flight school is so full of people, they are letting guys go SELRES with this F-16 squadron, but only if they went to the academy, because OCS and ROTC guys are a bunch of jerk-offs. I heard they all owned guns and were stupid. The other day I was squeezing into my choker whites (because I'm a Navy guy, and we're all fat) and I thought, "what are my chances..." Then I decided to quit, because I didn't get my first choice for what I wanted for lunch. A guy in A-pool who got a retired CNET admiral coffee one time told me the mile swim is now optional but only for guys with LASEK. I am going to be up for orders again soon, and I am worried because I know my NSS will really come into play now that I am almost done with my initial commitment. Oh, can you guys tell me what really happens at SERE?
or go read the ongoing saga that is "arguing politics with high schoolers"
either is less painful than you guys DRIVING ME NUTS
Oh, FYI, the F-16 that landed on the carrier was part of the Army National Guard Unit that flies jets. They are all got flight slots because "it's so easy". A lot of them were bitter USN and USMC helo drivers who knew it would be a piece of cake to get a lateral transfers and transitions...it happens all the time. Now Navy flight school is so full of people, they are letting guys go SELRES with this F-16 squadron, but only if they went to the academy, because OCS and ROTC guys are a bunch of jerk-offs. I heard they all owned guns and were stupid. The other day I was squeezing into my choker whites (because I'm a Navy guy, and we're all fat) and I thought, "what are my chances..." Then I decided to quit, because I didn't get my first choice for what I wanted for lunch. A guy in A-pool who got a retired CNET admiral coffee one time told me the mile swim is now optional but only for guys with LASEK. I am going to be up for orders again soon, and I am worried because I know my NSS will really come into play now that I am almost done with my initial commitment. Oh, can you guys tell me what really happens at SERE?
Dammit ... I must spread reputation around before giving it to Zab again ...
That was perfect.
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