OLD AGE

@ VT9 we were just briefed that the Marine Corps is no longer granting age waivers to new applicants for SNA. Thought I'd pass on the info. Apparently, HQMC has made a correlation between old age and attrition. Folks that are already in a pipeline (not sure who exactly qualifies for that) don't have a problem; but we will be the last of the grey haired aviators. Not sure what that means for prior enlisted and previous MOS SNAs. . .just passing what we were told. Might explain why folks aren't getting age waivers on the recruiting side (whereas they used to give them out generously). . .

Semper FI

My recruiter seems to think that my waiver will not be a problem as I have decent scores, PFT and I just turned 28. I know this sounds kind of stupid but is it ANY age over the limit or is there a grey area? Thanks. And also could you tell me where this info came from as I would like to speak to my recruiter about this and see what/if anything can be worked out with regard to my package.

Peace,

-Spin

No SNFO info.
He (Wing OPSO) was talking about folks getting winged after 29.5 earlier folks were talking about not getting the age waivers for 27.5 (for commissioning) so it all made sense. . .

They are doing what they can to avoid wingings beyond 29.5 for SNAs . . . doubt there is any maradmin or MCO regarding this . . just that the recruiting districts not giving waivers as was discussed elsewhere is in line with that. Probably just sticking more to the standard than that of yesterday.

Does it affect officers switching MOSs? How about prior enlisted wise guys?
Wouldn't think so, right?

I think the bottom line is that if you're accepted, you ought to be okay.

He also said the reasoning was the statistically it will help Marine jet attrition (according to HQMC) so who knows. . . .

Anybody know anybody at HQMC that can clear this up? LtCol Elliot said this was a recent development. . I'll ask him more if I run into him this weeek. .

I'm a little confused with the 29.5 and the 27.5. Which one is it? I'm sure there is something that I'm not seeing here so please enlighten me. Thanks!

-Spin

27.5 is a commissioning cutoff (i didn't have it, had age waiver. . candidates are saying they aren't giving those right now)

29.5 is a goal (or cutoff?) to get jet (or all?) SNA's winged by. . ..

It seems to me that SNFO was always higher. . I thought like 30.5 (somebody on here must know). The Navy told me that was my only option once upon a time. ..

The 27.5 to get commissioned is a "policy". In the past it was typically waivered especially for priors. Crowbar, do you have your aviation guarantee?

Anyone know anything about age waivers for ground officers? Sorry this is off-topic a bit but it is a huge deal for me. Here's why: I am a prior enlisted and talking with a recruiter to re-enlist active duty in the hope of being accepted via ECP. I'm currently 31 and turning 32 in October.

My OSO states there will be no age waivers for OCC 184 and probably not for 185 either. In reading the MARADMINs and MCO there are age waivers available for ECP (thru 35 y/o) so I figured this was my best shot in going to OCS in the next year. I am hoping to ship in June.

Any insight would be most appreciated.

I just hope that this thread will not die until finally the issue is clear...Cz I'm just hoping that when my time comes to apply, they'll still grant me an age waiver.

Anyone have any more info on this. I discussed it with my recruiter and he hadn't been informed of any of this and still believes I stand an excellent chance in getting a waiver.

Spin-

1. How old are you
2. Where are located
3. Are you prior service
4. Do you have any "special" circumstances (VIP, nephew of the Commendant, etc)

Your success will be our's too. Any older guys here who happen to believe in thier capabilities will second me for that. Keep us posted Spin...

Thanks Rayman ..... just gotta keep it goin.

And for dvl_dog, I just turned 28, no prior and I have no special circumstances. 7,8,7 on ASTB, good LOR's, flight time, and 278 PFT (24 pullups, 101 crunches and 21:31 run).

*BUMP*

whats BUMP?

bumping the topic to the top

"If you must raise hell, do it at least a mile from the flag pole."

I will be 27 this summer and graduate next summer (I will be 28). My OSO didn't say anything about this being a problem. Just the waivers for a few tattoos. Hey, what do you expect...I'm prior enlisted heh heh.

You need waivers for Tats in the Marine Corps? Does that also apply for other branches as well?

Thanks,
Bryce

Those who aren't living on the edge are taking up too much space.

Okay, Bryce. Fess up, where are your Tats located?

Here's a link copied from usnavyocs.com about the Navy's new policy on tatoos and piercings: http://usnavyocs.com/portal/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=155&sid=6d6e9a21b8bef172f0e75c82da09dffa

Why can't I insert a nice text link with this forum's software? It's kind of annoying having to post that whole ugly link.

Well my curious "academician"...where would you suspect??

Lower....lower....lower....



Just kidding, I have a medium sized tat on my lower leg. Nothing offensive or profane, just a japanese Kanji.

Thanks for the link, but I dont understand from the notice if I need to get a waiver. If I did not have one, what would be the consequences?


Bryce

Those who aren't living on the edge are taking up too much space.

LMAO! I had no suspicions, only the most innocent curiosity.

Supplying links is really all I'm qualified to do on this issue...but I'll speculate anyway. My guess is that a tattoo in a nonvisible location, such as your lower leg, is not going to require a waiver. Unless you plan on wearing those spiffy Love Boat-esque tropical climate uniform shorts, no one will ever see your tattoo.

Back on the topic about the age pls.....?

I talked to somebody from MCRC (Marine Corps Recruiting Command, who is in charge of all recruiters and accessions and makes the final decisions on such) last week and he said they are no longer taking age waivers, even for prior service types like myself...and if the recruiters hadn't got the word yet to check their MPPM (manuals).
If you have already been accepted into the aviation community (ie. given your guarantee) you should be ok. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the fact is that aircrew attrition is at an all time low and they would rather have someone who can serve 20 full years. He also said NFO slots were filled for this year....but I believe pilot slots were still open.
If anyone has CONCRETE contradictory information, please post and state your source.

Ok .... since this whole thing has got me going nuts I too called MCRC. Now ... I'm sure that I didn't talk to anyone high up the ladder or anything but the person that I did speak to said that age waivers are difficult to get but there is nothing stating that they are not being given anymore. He said that if you are over 30 it's more of an issue. Don't know if this guy was really informed or not but I figured I'd post my findings. Anymore info anyone .... ?

I am 28 as well, turning 29 this fall. Just spoke with my OSO yesterday and we are going ahead with my packet for OCC 184, he did say that it is a disadvantage but nothing keeping me from submitting a package. On a somewhat positive note, he mentioned the preference for guys with flight time if they can get it, it might make a difference with an old guy like me.

"WELL, ARE YOU GONNA PULL THOSE PISTOLS OR WHISTLE DIXIE"

THE OUTLAW JOSIE WALES

Out of curiosity, how long does it take from just beginning your package to when it's ready to be sent to the board? I.E., testing, physical, paperwork, etc.???