Discussion in 'Aviation Preflight Indoctrination (API)' started by scottwith1t, Aug 6, 2008.
Isn't that the second cheapest (normal) way for the Navy to get officers?
Sorry to hear this
When I went through NFO training they did redesignate some failed snas to snfo. Almost without exception they became marginal NFOs. I'm sorry the Navy has reverted to this failed policy.
My question is this...
I've been reading on here and on usnavyocs.com that they have almost doubled the amount of SNA's and SNFO's coming through the pipeline for this next year. Why do this if they are so overmanned in the JO area? Wouldn't it be a waste of money to just dump a bunch through the pipeline and just kick them out here and there for failing certain things rather than picking quality people up front?
Because this overmanning issue has recently come to light, while the number of officers who will be entering service over the next couple years was set in stone long before the overmanning issue presented itself.
For example, if they only realized within the past 6-12 months that overmanning would be an issue, then there is nothing they could do to prevent it since academy kids graduating now started at least 4 years ago, or maybe more (NAPS), BDCP kids at up to 3 years ago and ROTC up to 4 years ago.
So while all these kids graduating NOW present a problem for overmanning, it wasn't so apparent 4 years ago when they first came into the program.
Now what to do with this many officers? We simply end up with a better product, because those who fail (attrite) or have any lack of desire (DOR) or medical issues (NPQ) get cut and only the cream of the crop remain.
Quality THROUGH quantity.
WARNING: This is all basically conjecture from the stanpoint of a pissant ENS. Don't take it as if I was CNP.....
That is such crap. On the one hand, if they budgeted/planned for you to be in aviation and you can't hack it, go away. That's all well and good. But you signed the contract, and we have manning shortages throughout the Navy/MC. Take a dropout and send him on an IA that you tapped a fleet/FRS guy for. You know, guys who have proven that they can hack it. Seriously, if you suck at API/flying, have fun on your MTT/BTT.
Obviously not enough. If they are kicking people out and still tapping fleet guys for IAs, there is a discrepancy somewhere.
So if for some reason I NPQ I should beg for an IA?
Of course. They could certainly be sending MORE guys to IAs, especially with this current overmanning. I've seen a handful of DOR/attrite/NPQs go IA (or seen them come back from IA). I think from what I've seen it has been more of a bargaining chip for these guys to get good orders to a specific designator they want. Although I guess it is always used as a bargaining chip with detailers unless you're voluntold.
I know nothing of what IA jobs actually entail, so I ask the following question:
Why would it make more sense to send the fail-outs to go fight a war rather than people who have proven themselves to be capable leaders?
Because the vast majority of IAs consist of sitting around making up Power Points for some O-6. You're not kicking in doors in Fallujah.
No, you should be sent on one. Better to send you, who at that point bring nothing to the table, rather than someone who is trained and capable of executing the mission they have been planned for.
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