Let's hear it for the USS Pueblo crew ... the Navy, 7th Fleet, and the Johnson administration left them out on a limb and did nothing to keep it from being cut off. When repatriated the Navy tried to courtmartial the CO Lloyd Bucher and the head of the "research" division aboard the Pueblo, LT Steven Harris. Amazing ... how the Navy always "eats" its own .... In spite of being abandoned and tortured by the NK's ... the crew never dishonored one another. QM1 Charlie Law was one of my CWEST instructors @ NUW after he was released. Charlie died in 2001. CDR Bucher died in early 2004. (left) Some of the crew members displaying the infamous "Hawaiian Good Luck" sign ... as they described it to their captors, before being betrayed by the American media.
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Unfortunately, the Pueblo wasn't the only ship screwed over by the Johnson administration. The USS Liberty received the same type of treatment. I recently read James Bamford's book Body Of Secrets which is about the NSA. His take on the Liberty & the Pueblo incidents are interesting to say the least. Overall, I thought it was a well written book.
I will have to give that one to you, but I was actually thinking of one that is older. It is owned by the Navy but is a USNS ship. I didn't specify so virtual rep points for the Kitty. Anyone willing to guess the USNS ship?
Lessons learned from a bigwheel race with VFA-125 "If you aint cheatin' you aint tryin'!" (Theres a certain member on this site, whose wife is still mad that I gave the CO a better place on that race OVER A YEAR AGO!)
One of my squadrons' UNoffical motto's ... "CHEAT UNTIL CAUGHT AND THEN LIE .... " ... and while it may offend some of you ... and that's tough ... It never failed us as a "last ditch maneuver" when in extremis ...
You know something A4's, I've heard that same sentiment coming from some Army units that I trained with. While I'm not offended by the motto, what gets me is how this totally goes against the creed that I was taught, (and I'm sure you were taught as well), when training to become an officer: I will not lie, cheat, or steal nor will I tolerate those who do How do you reconcile the two?
How ??? 'Cause we really didn't believe it nor operate by it ... it was just a "joke" ... to try and sound "tough" and GAF ....
Exactly. I had an ARP "training" session where we had to take a recce test of East Asian surface vessels and subs. We were deploying to S. America. Brilliant. When asked if we could collaborate, we were told in an absolute fashion "NO!" because you might have to decide if you need to shoot a hellfire at the "unknown" vessel in a split second (riiiiiight). My response: "So I can't utilize my co-pilot?" Lots of sputtering and such w/ no real answer other than to take the test and not cheat.
Well unfortunately, I've known fellow officers for who it wasn't a joke. Which is a good reason why I'm glad I'm not still serving.
Quickly after learing the code of honor I learned that we elaborate, collaborate and borrow. Whoop brutha.
Yeah, honor code? Welcome to the real world. The military isn't some kind of moralistic Utopia, despite what they might tell you at the service academies. Brett
Who else are they going to blame? Haven' you heard the President is the Devil, 'cause Bobby Bouche's momma said so. Their arguement has that much validity.
