New wings approved for AMDO/Aviation LDO/CWOs

My brother is an Air Force Reservist and I always use to joke him about that too. I was an active duty E-5 (3 years overseas) and had four rows of ribbons. He had two less years in the military and only worked a weekend a month and wasn't too far behind me.

Because you are rated as a Naval Aviator or Naval Flight Officer at the completion of flight school. Isn't it true that your designator isn't whatever a pin-wearing shoe's is until you get the blessing from your skipper that you've successfully earned your pin?

Flight school is essentially a huge PQS that results in a qualification. There would be too many different instructions on how one would earn their wings should you push it to the RAG/Fleet squadron level. When would you give a F/A-18 pilot his wings vs an F/A-18F pilot? What about a P-3 NFO vs an ECMO? Each community within aviation would have to essentially have its own set of regs on how to earn wings.

And what do you mean after you qualify? Qualify as mission commander? Aircraft commander? 1P? Section lead? Division Lead?

Wings are pretty much the only warfare device that is given upon completion of a formal school instead of a PQS done at the fleet level. Others I can think of that require a PQS are SWO, Dolphins, ESWS and EAWS. There was talk of not giving aircrew their wings until they finished a PQS at the squadron vice out of the RAG. Not sure what happened to that.

I've seen the AMDO pqs - they aren't just giving it away (certainly compared to the aviation supply device, for instance).

I'd rather see good maintenance officers get those wings than have "HAC, but..."s keep theirs.

I agree, seeing an AMDO with some sort of wings doesn't seem as ridiculous as a JG that attrited from the FRS wearing NA wings.

If you can't fly for any reason other then medical the wings should no longer be worn.

What about a lat transfer to another community, say later in a career?

This is no different than the Navy. I cannot tell you how many Ensign's I have seen running around with 4 ribbons or more months out of the Academy or ROTC. Same goes for a lot of the E-3's in the Navy.

About the ONLY branch I do not see this is the Marine Corps.

I blame it on the supply weenies. They started this madness with all their different devices. "Oh....I'm a SWOchop....and a SUBchop...yup, I'm an AIRchop too!" This made the medical guys feel inadequate and follow suit, and it expanded from there.
You're fucking support. If you want to be anything else, redesignate URL.

Sure, didn't think of that one. What I should have said is: if you're no longer flying for a performance related issue then you shouldn't be wearing wings.

Not me! All my buds from school who went marine ground who have some chest candy saw a pic from my winging and started calling me Uno since I've still got a single lonely ribbon.

Why would guy #2 want to wear his wings? So he can explain to folks the rest of his career why he's not flying? The dude should move on embrace being an INTEL O.

Did these fellas who went Marine ground spend two years in flight school?

My point is that I have seen several LTJG's or ENS's sporting 4/5 ribbons and have yet to even get into the fleet. Kind of a lot of chest candy for never being operational IMO.

When I winged, I had 1 medal/ribbon.. NDSM for being in on 9/11. That was it.

Heck, I did not even have a full row of ribbons until I was almost done with my first fleet tour.

No, they didn't. They spent 13 months in Iraq. It's said very much tongue in cheek.

WRT da ribbons, for those who may not know, CNIC issued an awards memo earlier in the year for all shore installations (I believe it was for ALL) to receive...hmmmm... I wanna say a MUC. I'll track down the msg and post later in the week if people actually care. I just wasn't sure if things like that, or the GWOTSM are issued to school commands. I know some Ensigns that role through with more then the pizza stain on their uniform may also have received their rifle and pistol bit. Speaking of which, if there are Navy personnel who wanna earn em and haven't yet, shoot me a PM. Once in a while we will go down to the range for quals, depending on course a few different issues I won't post here. If interested, shoot me yer info and I'll let you know via global, when the next time we are gonna go. Just fyi, the shooting is done over at NASK.

^Generous offer. I'd pay money to go to SAMI school

like to see a copy of that message, if it happened before september, then I am an E-6....LOL

MUC is not a personal award so wouldn't count towards your final multiple.

As for the GWOTSM, you have to actually go over there. I didn't get mine issued until I was over there the first time. Sucks that even though I was supporting operations over in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia... since my boots weren't on the ground, I don't qualify for the Iraq or Afghanistan campaign medals.

I know plenty of people who would trade 3 inches of ribbon for not getting blown up and shot.

Count me with the folks who think the "campaign medals" should go to the people actually fighting in the campaign. Not getting medals that you don't rate (due to the qualifications for the award) does not "suck". Getting shot at "sucks".

The "supported the war in the rear, with the gear" medal is described here:

Wiki Link

I haven't seen anything more than the pistol/rifle qual ribbons, with maybe an odd ribbon or two as a very rare exception, for the non-priors.

I am RAG complete and have a pizza stain and wings. How many of your E-dog AF ribbons are you allowed to still wear?

The Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal requires deployment.
The GWOTSM just requires service in support of designated operations.

Dude, I think you're confusing the Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal with the Global War on Terror Service Medal. The latter is the latest, greatest NDM. I got my GWOTEM for the opening days of OIF, flying off a boat that was in the Med, across Turkey and into Northern Iraq. Is that in the rear with the gear?