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Navy Rescue Swimmer Rates

Timmy

Capt. America
Im interested in joining the Navy as a rescue swimmer, but i was reading somewhere that you must pick a main aircrew rate such as AWF and you do that when your not rescuing people, is this true because i really don't want to be a mechanic or are rescue swimmers just AWS, I also read that you don't get a guarantee at what aircrew rate you get, you make a wish list and its up to the needs of the navy, Is any of this true?
 

helolumpy

Apprentice School Principal
pilot
Contributor
There are two types of Rescue Swimmers.
One is Surface Rescue Swimmer. You are a member of the ships crew in a "surface rating" and your ship sends you to Rescue Swimmer School.

The other is Aviation Rescue Swimmer. All Aviation Rescue Swimmers are Naval Aircrewmen, therefore your rating will be a vision of AW, either AWR for H-60R or AWS for H-60S?

Your job will be as an Aircrewman, not a mechanic. Your primary job will be to fly and you'll also do whatever mission your aircraft does. You may do ASW, Cargo Ops, Combat SAR, etc.

I think you can get a rating specified during your enlistment process and the Navy will try to honor that agreement, but EVERYTHING is always needs of the Navy driven.
 

CommodoreMid

Whateva! I do what I want!
None
Super Moderator
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You also must realize that Es, like Os, have ground jobs when they aren't flying. I don't know how it works in helo land, but in the P-3 world our aircrewmen are also in the maintenance work centers, working in various departments, etc. Don't expect that you can show up to your squadron and say "Eh, I don't think I want to be a sked E, I just want to go rescue people." You don't fly every day.

Though if you can avoid going to skeds that would probably be nice....
 

Able Dog

New Member
Take your questions over to military.com. There are enlisted recruiters over there that can explaine what an aircrew enlistment contract with a swimmer package will be like.

Like others have stated, being a Rescue Swimmer is in addition to your regular duties. As you continue your research you will discover that being a rescue swimmer is limited to helo's.

By the way, they are called ratings not rates.

Good luck.
 

Kaman

Beech 1900 pilot's; "Fly it like you stole it"
In the Navy being a rescue swimmer is an additional duty to your primary job as an aircrewman. If you want to concentrateon the RSS thing go USCG, but even those guys work in the shop maintaining flight gear.
 

Brunes

Well-Known Member
pilot
In the Navy being a rescue swimmer is an additional duty to your primary job as an aircrewman. If you want to concentrateon the RSS thing go USCG, but even those guys work in the shop maintaining flight gear.
And the plans, and the enlisted training program, and the entire stations survival systems quals, etc.

Like everyone has said- There are ground jobs that take up a lot more of your time than the airborne work.
 

Timmy

Capt. America
Thanks for all the answers, I really don't mind doing ground work as long as I to fly too. I know you mentioned going USCG but I was reading some of the other forums on here about rescue swimmers in the USCG and it seems they have to wait like 2 years just to get to training and their rescue swimmer school is like 6 months or so and the Navy's is only 5 weeks is that because the USCG is better trained or they go more in depth because they seem to pretty much do the same job as the Navy swimmers
 

wlawr005

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
IMO, USCG rescue swimmers are the "real deal". They have significantly more medical training and seem to have responsibilities more in line with an EMT/Paramedic. Navy rescue swimmers receive adequate training in basic first aid/CPR and will fly with a Navy Corpsman if there is a significant chance of encountering severely injured people. There are a few Navy guys who get the same training, but it's not the norm.

Bottom line, the Coast Guard's primary mission is search and rescue. They generally do it on a daily basis, so you could consider them experts in it. I wouldn't necessarily go that far with the Navy, it's more of a mission specific skill set that we acquire along with many others. In 5 years of flying, I made one rescue...and that was pretty good amongst my peers. Sometimes you get lucky and respond to a Katrina-type incident, but those are few and far between.
 

Gatordev

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pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
Thanks for all the answers, I really don't mind doing ground work as long as I to fly too. I know you mentioned going USCG but I was reading some of the other forums on here about rescue swimmers in the USCG and it seems they have to wait like 2 years just to get to training and their rescue swimmer school is like 6 months or so and the Navy's is only 5 weeks is that because the USCG is better trained or they go more in depth because they seem to pretty much do the same job as the Navy swimmers

Also keep in mind that aircrew school may only be 5 weeks, but you also have to go learn your platform, which pretty much means either -60S or -60R. I don't know how long the Sierra guys take, but the Romeo/Bravo guys take around 6 months. Your primary flying job will be as a sensor operator/crewman with the ability to go in the water if called upon (and all the training that goes along with maintaining proficiency in doing that).
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
I would go talk to an enlisted recruiter, I know in my area for most people they are put on a waiting list to go pick a job, so what you want may not even be available.
I have a friend that is a rescue swimmer and how often you fly depends on what squadron and where they are at, he flys all the time and in just the past few years since I have known him he has made multiple rescues and done many recovery operations as well.
The services may have similar jobs but it is not uncommon for the training path to be described different or in a different order, remember Navy rescue swimmers have to also get trained in pulling guys out of a combat area as well.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
... remember Navy rescue swimmers have to also get trained in pulling guys out of a combat area as well.

I've never heard it described that way...nor have I actually seen any regular training that jives with that statement. Then again, I'm not a HS guy, and I'm sure the HS crewman are constantly pulling guys out of combat all the time.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic).
 

WarrenG

Those Buttons Are Red! You'll Destroy Us All!
The pipeline for AW is dependant on your platform. As a rescue swimmer you will get 4 weeks of aircrew training and 5 weeks of rescue swimmer school. After this you will go to A school and again depending on your specific platform you can have anywhere from 7 weeks to 5 months of classes. From here you will go to your training squadron which will be about 6 months. These times do not include hold times and roll backs which also include training. All in all you are looking at about 2 years of training before you head to the fleet.

Like previously stated as an AW, rescue swimmer is a secondary/collateral duty. That said AWs are very very qualification heavy. As an AWR2 my qualifications include level 300 tactical crewman, aviation life support system tech worker, collateral duty inspector, collateral duty quality assurance representative, rescue swimmer, maritime direct deployment certified, crew chief certified, cpr qualified, nvg crewman, night systems flight instructor, ordnance certified, ordnance load team member, ordnance load team safety observer, quality assurance superviser for ordnance, M240 door gunner, GAU 16 door gunner, enlisted air warfare specialist, naval aircrew warfare specialist, pci-imat instructor, advanced accoustic intelligence gathering, on top of this I also have my ground job of Operations leading petty officer.

In the aircraft I have to work various weapons systems including, FLIR, Hellfire, Torpedoes, Acoustics and sonobuoys, radar, electronic support measures, and countermeasures. Missions will include, Anti-submarine and anti surface warfare, vertrep, sar, csar, logistics, counter narcotics, maritime strike and amphibious assault, comrelay, intelligence gathering, HVBSS, SPECWAR support, disaster relief, and Command, control, and communication.
Bottom line you are a warfighter and constantly in training. You will always be studying for the next sim, flight, sar or natops eval, qualification or rating exam.

It is a very different life from the USCG whose sole mission is SAR.
 

twobecrazy

RTB...
Contributor
I've never heard it described that way...nor have I actually seen any regular training that jives with that statement. Then again, I'm not a HS guy, and I'm sure the HS crewman are constantly pulling guys out of combat all the time.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic).

Sir, I believe he is referring to CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue)...
 
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